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What does the clock say ? 13:30 ?

beachcomber australia Having squinted at it through my pince-nez, I think it is 13:30.

The Irish Free State Constitution Committee, Shelbourne Hotel 1922 From Left to Right:- R.J.P. Mortished (Secretary); John O'Byrne, B.L.; C.J. France; Darrell Figgis (Acting Chairman); Ned Stephens, B.L. (Secretary); P.A. O'Toole, B.L. (Secretary); James Mac Neill (sic); Hugh Kennedy, K.C.; James Murnahan (sic), B.L.; James Douglas. Seems James Douglas, on left, was cropped out. He’s there in other copies. No sign of Collins either

Via Trove, here is the "Draft Constitution of the Irish Free State, which was issued by the Provisional Government of Ireland on June 15." - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107965130?searchTerm=c...

Now the guy on the right is cropped out! Is this like what happened to Trosky’s image

Dated February 22nd 1920.

Note attached to verso reads "Tank and Armoured Cars Imposing Force at Raid on a Factory / A large force of military and police took part in the riad [raid] on the premises of a firm of window blind manufacturers in Aungier Street, Dublin. There were two companies of soldiers and three military motor lorries. Seven men were arrested. A large number of rifles and grenades and a quantity of ammunition are stated to have been found. PHOTO:- Some of the prisoners being taken away in motor lorries.".

Yes 1920. See this report of 24/2/1920 via Trove - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/139431224?searchTerm=D...

This version is slightly easier to read and transcribe - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/202977317?searchTerm=D...

"THE DUBLIN RAIDS.
Crowds Cheer Prisoners. A " Stay-at-Home" Order.
LONDON", 22nd February.

One hundred police and fully armed soldiers were employed in the raid in Aungier-strcet, Dublin, upon a window blind factory. In addition a tank, motor lorries and two armored cars were engaged, from the turrets of which machine guns were turned on to the crowd watching the operations. Soldiers with fixed bayonets lined the streets, while the police tore up all the flooring of the factory. After two hours' search they brought out two brothers of McGrath, the civilian who was wounded in the Westmoreland-street raid. The crowd gave the prisoners a thunderous cheer, and hissed the soldiers and police. Soldiers are guarding Mercers Hospital, where the other McGrath is lying. The Dublin army authorities have ordered that after 23rd inst. all persons shall remain within doors between midnight and 5 a.m. except nurses, clergy and doctors provided with passes. Other persons will be liable to be challenged, and if thev disobey, they do so at their own peril. The authorities believe that Saturday's arrests will have the effect of dispersing a secret society which has been responsible for many recent crimes."

The mention of 'Saturday' above makes me wonder if the photo was actually Saturday 21 February 1920 ??

beachcomber australia Reports in Saturday's Irish Independent describe the "sensational" scenes the day before, so the date would be Friday, 20 February 1920.

Flickr is sometimes amazing - Spot The Differences ...

From which we learn that this is July 1922 at Cruise's Royal Hotel in Limerick.

It wasn’t until 1928 (UK) that total voting emancipation occurred for women with voting under the age of 30 (Rep of the People Act). My mum recalled her mother voting for the first time. But yes - definitely a historic day today. I assume it was the same in N. Ireland. When did it change in the Rep of Ireland? This is stunningly clear photo - it is easy to see their features - they would be recognisable.

I've just spent a fruitless five minutes trying to judge whether HOG12 was taken earlier than HOG133 by the length of the cigarettes, but came to no definite conclusion. Just that the one in the middle has a butt in his hand, as do the two to his right.

The one in the middle has a butt in his hand, as do the two to his right.