Conversations
Here are conversations that have happened in the last week on Flickr Commons:
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Tommy takes the tram
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Mike Grimes said:
The maker of Brand's Meat Juice is probably better known for A1 sauce.
letslookagain.com/2014/10/who-were-brand-co/
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Mike Grimes said:
And this on John Oakey and his knife polish.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Oakey_(inventor) -
National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Mike Grimes Thanks Mike
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
I think the location may well be the Electric Railway depot (now a Dublin bus depot) opposite Park Gate, Dublin. What do you think?
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O Mac said:
The wall and chimney in the background would suggest the tram was turning into the Cunningham Rd tram yard.
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O Mac said:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons Snap... I failed to refresh so missed your location suggestion.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
O Mac On the basis of two great minds being better than one I will update the map presently.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
We did visit part of this electric railway before
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CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY said:
Maybe this is a staged photo. I doubt the British officer is driving the tram. Firstly, he is an officer and secondly, he is a British officer . . . Too proud to do such menial work. Just wanted a photo to send back to his mother or girlfriend, who asked, "Was this taken in San Francisco?". Think about the leadership or lack of it at Galipoli, maybe about the time of this photo.
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O Mac said:
while the tram is heading into the yard the top deck seat rests are set for the outbound (Lucan) direction.
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Suck Diesel said:
Trams 1 to 16 ran from 1900, no. 17 was a locomotive for goods haulage.
So, if really no. 18, then dates from 1906.
Location is deffo the Park.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Suck Diesel I wonder does the uniform signify engineers?
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Suck Diesel said:
Tram no. 18, unlike the others, was supplied by Milnes Voss, as stated on the reverse of photo
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Suck Diesel The uniform does look similar to this one WW1 Royal Engineers Cuff Rank
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beachcomber australia said:
Similar windows to Jack B. Yeats "In The Tram" (1923) - onlinecollection.nationalgallery.ie/objects/2796/in-the-tram
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
beachcomber australia I remember hearing that the painting was often referred to as "The Merry Wives of Lucan"
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beachcomber australia said:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons [Aside] A serendipitous find when looking for that Jack B. Yeats painting - Google found this auction, and I have four of those prints (not the middle one) hanging on my wall. They came from my Irish grandmother but I wasn't sure if they were by Yeats until now. Good result !
www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/prints-and-book-jack-butle...
My prints - if anyone knows something about them please leave a message - -
Suck Diesel said:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons Yes, could be Royal Engineers
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
beachcomber australia Glad you found that, we are here to serve!
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Suck Diesel said:
All the railway accident reports of this era were investigated by an officer of the R.E.
E.g.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Suck Diesel I think you are on to someting with this.
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Suck Diesel said:
This would be our tram
“The new electric tramway — between Conyngham Road and Lucan — opened for business on the 8th March 1900 using five new electric tramcars. The latter were joined by a motorised former steam tram trailer and an electric locomotive (for goods haulage) in 1905, and a new double-deck tramcar in 1906”
www.tramwaybadgesandbuttons.com/page148/page149/styled-23... -
Suck Diesel said:
Is that a 'broad arrow' symbol on the reverse?
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Suck Diesel said:
The location of today’s photo.
Lucan tram on left and Dublin DUTC tram on right.
The lines didn’t connect at this time due to different gauges.
They were connected later in 1925. -
Suck Diesel said:
The Lucan terminus, a quieter time then -
beachcomber australia said:
Mr Walter Gratwicke (1887 - 1967) took at least six photos of the Lucan trams, with lots more clues -
catalogue.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=gratwicke&typ...
One has a "GR Royal Mail" sign on it, which hints at after 1910 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000747497
All the Lucan trams look scruffy, unlike these new Howth glam trams in a jam -
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Suck Diesel said:
beachcomber australia The ‘Royal Mail’ tram itself dates from 1905, but the photo must be later, as you have said.
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O Mac said:
The officer may be Walter's brother Philip Charles Gratwicke ...simply posing.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
O Mac you could be right! Quite the resemblance. Though if you are correct "Philip takes the tram" will be a downgrade for the title.
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Niall McAuley said:
O Mac good find! Enlisted May 1915, commissioned Nov 1915
posted Western front Feb 1917, killed Mar 1918
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Mike Grimes said:
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Jap[anese] Com[missio]n, City Hall (LOC)
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Richard Norton said:
1917 Japanese Commission
www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q127432513
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Richard Norton said:
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Ein Münchner Mysterium
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beachcomber australia said:
September 1915, according to this version - www.irishbrigade.eu/other-men/gaffney/gaffney.html
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
beachcomber australia I will update the date.
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Carol Maddock said:
beachcomber australia I'm confused. It says (September 1915) under the photo in that Gaffney piece, but the text that follows says...
1915 Aug 24 The "celebrated" Lunch in Munich at which Gaffney was the host and Casement a guest. Gaffey was later dismissed by the US governemnt as Consul because of this.
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John Spooner said:
Rough and ready translation: "The well-known (lit. oft-mentioned) Irish MP, Sir Roger Casement, against whom the British envoy, Lord Findlay, eho is still in office, arranged an murder attempt in Oslo by bribing the Irish leader's servant, with the American consul-general Gaffney in the Preysing Palais restaurant in Munich."
John Spooner BA (German Language and Literature)
Learning to read Frakturschrift in 1976-ish was going to come in handy one day, and today's the day. -
National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
John Spooner The right man in the right place at the right time. Absolut fantastisch!!
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John Spooner said:
There's still a Preysing Palais in Munich, but whether it had a restaurant in 1915 or was a nearby restaurant which borrowed its name, I don't know.
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beachcomber australia said:
Carol Maddock You are confused and I am flummoxed; someone will be bamboozled ...
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
John Spooner I have seen an address of Residenzstr 27 ?
See www.e-manuscripta.ch/swa/content/zoom/3265353
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John Spooner said:
This photo appeared on the front page of the Daily Mirror on Tuesday 27 June 1916 as part of its reporting of the Casement trial.
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Carol Maddock said:
beachcomber australia Discombobulation is just around the corner.
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beachcomber australia said:
Flickr ist manchmal unglaublich!
Preysing Palais poster 1937, via Halloween HJB -
John Spooner said:
Preysingpalais on streetview Probably rebuilt since 1945.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
John Spooner Thank you, map updated.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
John Spooner Would you have a go at translating the line with the names and titles please.
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John Spooner said:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons Certainly, but first I think I should point out the door to the right of the building, above which is written "Feldherrnkeller". This unremarkable-looking establishment played a part in the Beer Hall Putsch in November 1923. historicalsites.se/countries/germany/mnchen-feldherrnkeller/
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John Spooner said:
L to R: Dr Curry/Chasburn?. Frau von Pfister, General-consul Gaffney, Mrs Emerson, behind them Colonel Emerson, and seated on the extreme right Sir Roger Casement
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John Spooner said:
Western Mail - Tuesday 31 August 1915. Sounds like this might be the 'Colonol Emerson' pictured. If his arrest was reported at the end of August, the Munich lunch would have been before then, unless he was released by the Swiss and returned to Munich.
LIBEL ON BRITISH DIPLOMAT AMERICAN JOURNALIST ARRESTED IN SWITZERLAND. ZURICH,
Monday. Colonel Emerson, the American journalist whose statements regarding the British Minister at Berne in December last were indignantly denied by the Swiss Government, yesterday set foot on Swiss territory for the first time since making those statements, and was immediately arrested. It appears that Colonel Emerson had for a long time been staying at Constance, and had letter-box at Krenzlingen, the Swiss side of the frontier. It appears that the real name of Colonel Emerson is either Emershon or Emersohn, and that he is of German parentage. Suisse states that the warrant for Emerson’s arrest was issued last December, following upon his impudent assertion that President Motta had personally supplied him with information against the British Minister.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
John Spooner Danke
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John Spooner said:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons Bitte
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Foxglove said:
or as we are in Bavaria today, it would be "dang schee" :-)
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John Spooner said:
Edwin Emerson Jr.
Also
Col. Emerson denies he is a Nazi (from the Jewish Telegraphic Agency) -
Suck Diesel said:
My attempt:
‘The much-mentioned German-friendly Irish MP Sir Roger Casement, on whom the English ambassador Lord Sindlay, who is still in service, staged an assassination attempt in Christiania by bribing the train leader's servant, with the American General Consul Gaffney in the Preysing Patais restaurant in Munich
From left to right: Dr. Generalkonful Goffney, Sr. von Pfister, Mr. Gaffney, Mr. Emerson, behind: Colonel Emerson, sitting on the far right: Sir Roger Casement
Publisher: Süddeutsche Zeitungsgesellschaft m. b. H., Munich, Ludwigstrasse 26. Telephone 26762, responsible for the publisher Richard Schumacher, Munich. Editor and responsible for the editorial department: Hans Georg Sürstenheim (Hous Arten), Mündjen, Bruck: Kung im Druck G. m. b. 6., Graphische Kunstanſtalt, Munich.
Münchner Illustrierte 62 issue number’ -
John Spooner said:
I think the last (handwitten) line is
Münchner Illustrierte 62 Kriegsnummer (war edition)
This edition is dated 1st of January 1915 and is the 22nd Kriegsnummer, so if it's weekly, no 62 is in week 40 of 1915, or (if my calculations are correct) 1st October.
So I assume the picture appeared in the 1st October 1915 edition of Münchner Illustrierte Zeitung. -
Suck Diesel said:
Cleaner image here
www.alamy.com/the-irish-independence-fighter-sir-roger-ca... -
Suck Diesel said:
“It is a mistake for an Irishman to mix himself up with the English. He is bound to do one of two things—either to go to the wall if he remains Irish or to become an Englishman himself. You see I very nearly did become one once. At the Boer War time, I had been away from Ireland for years, out of touch with everything native to my heart and mind, trying hard to do my duty, and every fresh act of duty made me appreciably nearer the ideal of the Englishman. I had accepted Imperialism. British rule was to be accepted at all costs, because it was the best for everyone under the sun, and those who opposed that extension ought rightly to be 'smashed.' I was on the high road to being a regular Imperialist jingo—although at heart underneath all, and unsuspected almost by myself, I had remained an Irishman. Well, the war, [i.e., the Boer War] gave me qualms at the end—the concentration camps bigger ones—and finally, when up in those lonely Congo forests where I found Leopold I found also myself, the incorrigible Irishman”
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DannyM8 said:
E-mail from Tripadvisor
Save your spot
Wrap up your Munich plans before spots run out.
Palais Preysing
I spend too much time on this stream!! -
Suck Diesel said:
Is that a 'broad arrow' symbol on the reverse of photo?
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beachcomber australia said:
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Fonthill boilers
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Fred Dean Snr. Have a look at this one for me please.
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Unidentified location
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unami68 said:
St. Agnes School with Halifax Shopping Centre under construction in the background
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unami68 said:
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I wish ye would all stand still!
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Niall McAuley said:
Meta comment: no grouping today, this is top of my stream on its own.
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Niall McAuley said:
Streetview: 53 Main St
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Niall McAuley said:
In its entry on the Longford Arms Hotel to the right of the court house, the NIAH says: A late nineteenth-century photograph from the Lawrence Collection (1895) shows that it had a round-headed doorway with cut stone block-and-start surround at this time
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Niall McAuley said:
The shop beyond the court house looks like a blurred Kelly. Peter Kelly Hardware is in the 1911 but not the 1901 census.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Niall McAuley Thanks for letting us know Niall, we think we have figured out the issue, happy that we are back to normal.
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Carol Maddock said:
Niall McAuley The Longford Arms Hotel must be the most discreet hotel ever. I wonder if they had signage on the gable wall...
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Carol Maddock said:
Aha, gable end signage on the hotel! Even if it just says Longford Ar Hotel...
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beachcomber australia said:
10:05 ...
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beachcomber australia said:
West by south-west wind ...
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
beachcomber australia 10:05 noted, wind direction noted.
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beachcomber australia said:
Mr French / Lawrence went back (at 14:01). Heaps of posters, people standing still, and no [Ed.] cells at the front ...
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beachcomber australia said:
By 10:20 Mr P. Kelly had put his wares in front of his shop - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000331947
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beachcomber australia said:
Flummoxed again! I was thinking today's photo was earlier than the posters one without the 'cells', but ...
" ... Pair of single-storey bridewell extensions added to either side of street entrance c. 1900, demolished in 2005. ..."
via www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/13002... -
Suck Diesel said:
Carol Maddock Currently just says ‘HOTEL’ in vertical writing
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Suck Diesel said:
“Pair of single-storey bridewell extensions added to either side of street entrance c. 1900, demolished in 2005”
www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/13002...
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DannyM8 said:
I see the Dog.
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Carol Maddock said:
beachcomber australia [aside] Flummoxed is a fabulous word! We don't hear or use it often enough...
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Carol Maddock said:
Suck Diesel Thanks. And from the Google Map supplied by Niall McAuley I can see that the hotel now has the sort of "over the door" signage we're more used to. No room at the inn for subtle, understated signage nowadays. 😀
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Niall McAuley said:
P. Kelly is in both shots, with and without the cells, and we know he is after 1901. The posters and no cells shot also shows Ross, Michael Ross, Butcher, appears in 1911 and is elsewhere on Main Street in 1901, not next to the courthouse.
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Niall McAuley said:
Carol Maddock The Longford Ar signage looks as if they had someone come and add fancier quoins and they erased some letters in the process.
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Carol Maddock said:
Niall McAuley Bet the original sign writer was raging!
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Foxglove said:
They are doing the "let's do the time warp again" song
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seikinsou said:
Wonderful title and a great discussion too :) .
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Niall McAuley said:
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Ingersoll Barber Beauty Shop, Des Moines, Iowa (LOC)
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swanq said:
Presumably on Ingersoll Avenue, a major east-west road through Des Moines. See www.theavenuesdsm.com/
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swanq said:
Looks to be second from the left of this block, based on configuration of windows and door.
2024 Streetview
Address was 2718 Ingersoll Avenue according to
- www.newspapers.com/article/des-moines-tribune-false-teeth...
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swanq said:
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Albert (Banjo) Holmes, Boundary rider, NSW, 1941
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Blue Mountains Library, Local Studies said:
I believe that is a tin of IXL jam on the table, made by Henry Jones & Co., established Hobart 1898. Perhaps the piece of bread that Albert is slicing will soon be spread with a dollop of that tasty jam.
In 1895 the Henry Jones company purchased a building in Melbourne and commenced manufacture of jams and spreads. The building became known as The Jam Factory. IXL formed as a limited liability company in 1903. The IXL brand – 'I excel in everything I do' was Henry Jones's personal motto.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jam_Factory
www.henryjonesfoods.com.au/about-us/
The manual meat mincer on the left behind the enamel mug, would be for making rissoles from tough meat.
www.bunnings.com.au/victoria-cast-iron-manual-meat-mincer...
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Merryjack said:
This is such a terrific image of a man living alone, quietly preparing a meal at his dinner table.
The jam tin lid needs to be pushed down to keep the flies out, or put in the meat safe. On top of the biscuit tin is the tea caddy. I'm also thinking the kerosene lamp may have a reflector plate or wall hanger at the back, similar lamps do show up online. www.ebay.com.au/itm/385980994205?chn=ps&_ul=AU&no... -
Blue Mountains Library, Local Studies said:
I had a look at Albert's military records via Ancestry, he was medically discharged from the 35th Batt. AIF in 1917, due to an old fracture of the left fore arm resulting in a deformity at the elbow and reduced arm movement, aggravated by war service. You can see his arm holding the loaf appears misshapen.
Albert had served overseas and so qualified for the British war service medals: Pip, Squeak and Wilfred.
www.worldwar1luton.com/object/pip-squeak-and-wilfred-wwi-...
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Blue Mountains Library, Local Studies said:
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Drugs May Harm Your Unborn Baby: Only Take Drugs Your Doctor Prescribes
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Brian J. Hunt said:
In the style of Parrish or Fox.
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Brian J. Hunt said:
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The Cobbler on the step
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Suck Diesel said:
Here he is
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Suck Diesel Isn’t our online Census a marvellous thing! Well done National Archives of Ireland.
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John Spooner said:
But is he a cobbler or a cordwainer? A cordwainer makes shoes from new leather (originally using leather from Cordoba), whereas a cobbler makes shoes from old bits of leather ('cobbled' together). One of my great-great-great grandfathers was a cordwainer, and they were very particular about the distinction. New leather was more expensive, so his customers were all 'well-healed'. Or more likely the peasants in his village couldn't afford his products, and he went bankrupt before moving to the big town nearby.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
John Spooner "Well healed" I like it. I see he describes himself as "Shoe Maker" in both the 1901 and 1911 Census. I am afraid that does not answer the question you raised.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
John Spooner
There are 8 men in Ireland with the occupation of Cordwainer in the 1901 Census
There are 2 men in Ireland with the occupation of Cordwainer in the 1911 Census
There are the odd few Cord Wainers in both 1901 and 1911, along with Board wainer, Rent wainer, Horse wainer and a Cord winner! -
National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
I'm surprised, there are well over 30,000 Shoe Makers or Shoemakers in both the 1901 and 1911 censuses.
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John Spooner said:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons I suspect the distinction was more important in my GGG GF's day (early 19th century) than in the early 20th century.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
John Spooner Probably so. We'll have to keep an eye out for shopfront signage in some of our street photos, to see how the tradesmen (any women shoemakers/cobblers/cordwainers/whatever you're having yourself?) described their craft?
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John Spooner said:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons Another distinction I've come across is that cordwainers produced all sorts of leather goods, whereas cobblers just repaired shoes.
Currently London College of Fashion, "provide two BA Cordwainers courses in footwear and bags and accessories as well as a postgraduate course in footwear."
Cordwainers thought themselves superior "The Cordwainers’ Company was first incorporated in the reign of Henry IV., and they were first entitled The Cordwainers and Cobblers but eventually the bootmakers dropped their humbler brethren." (Derry Journal - Monday 22 May 1876) -
National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
John Spooner Bet the Cobblers were absolutely livid to be described as "humbler brethren"!
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Foxglove said:
I wish to notify NLI that you Flickr feed us not loading chronologically, by day, but is now loading as a group all tied to one day last week - you are disappearing in time !
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John Spooner said:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons Especially if they got ideas above their station and were told "cobbler, keep to your last"
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Foxglove How many photos are you seeing in that group?
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Niall McAuley said:
I often have to hunt back in my stream, and I find today's shot grouped with yesterday's.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Niall McAuley Aha, thank you. Would you please let us know at some stage tomorrow if tomorrow's shot is also bundled with today's shoemaker and yesterday's Maid of Erin unveiling? That would be very helpful, Niall.
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John Spooner said:
In 1901 a James McGilly, shoemaker, of Rosslea, was sentenced to 14 days imprisonment at Sligo for assault. He was due to be relased on 4th Feb. Other details in his prison record - 37 years ols, 5ft 10in tall, 155 lbs on admission. From Prison Registers, Ireland, 1790-1924 on ancestry.
The age looks suspicious. It doesn't match the census, and he looks older than 57 in the photo. But if the census is right it would be too young to be his son.
He's 40 in the 1901 census, so aged 20 years in 10 years.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Niall McAuley And p.s. thank you for making the effort of hunting back in your stream!
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Suck Diesel said:
John Spooner aaWell, he’s 40 in the 1901, which doesn’t compute either, wifey also is fibbing
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
suckindeesel John Spooner I think we've definitely established over all these years, that much economy with the truth about ages was common in the census! 😀
However, to be fair, sometimes people weren't always certain about their birth dates...
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Foxglove said:
Yes, this was paired with the previous and the suffragette image was paired with the image prior to that.
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John Spooner said:
Anyway, the assault. He had been on bail until the hearing at Enniskillen Quarter Sessions on 22nd January 1901. Fermanagh Times - Thursday 24 January 1901 reported it.
The second case was against a man celled James M’Gilly, who was charged committing an assault, occasioning actual bodily, harm on one John Graham on the 12th November last. Them two persons lived beside one another, and, as happened, they were not the best of friends for that. They had a quarrel, obviously about the course a channel that conveyed sewage matter apparently from the the houses of both parties. At all events, certainly from one house. The sewer apparently ran close to or between both houses. They had a quarrel over that, and he fancied , as sometimes happened, the wives. perhaps, had also had a quarrel over it, and thus, perhaps, set the husbands on the quarrel. At all events, on this 12th November, John Graham was out on the front street his house, M’Gilly was there also, they either bad words or there was a slight scuffle. He did not know but James M’Gilly took up one of those large brushes or brooms with very strong bristles, and he struck - or to use the words of toe witness " jammed" him (Graham) in the face with it about the eves. The consequence of was that Graham’s eyes, according to his evidence, and they would have the evidence of Dr D’Arcy who attended him—were seriously injured, and that he suffered a great deal of pain. The only defence be (His Honor) could imagine that could be put forward was that of self defence; that was a scuffle between him and Graham, that was so violent that he (M’Gilly) had to use the force so as to keep Graham off. In his opinion, sticking a dangerous brush with the hard bristles in a man's face , particularly in his eyes, was using more violence than the law would consider justifyable in any ordinary scuffle. If they found that such violence had been used, be thought they should find a true bill.
The Grand Jury found true bills in both cases.
So it was a dispute over sewage which got out of hand. I was half hoping the weapon had been a hammer (or failing that an old boot), but it was a broom with stiff bristles. And it would probably never have occurred if the local Inspector of Nuisances had been doing his job.
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John Spooner said:
John Graham of Rosslea, retired blacksmith, 73 in the 1901 census (or so he says) www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Rossl..., or was it his son John James Graham, 25.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Foxglove Thank you. That's very useful to know.
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Suck Diesel said:
John Spooner One RC, the other CoI
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Suck Diesel said:
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Ronnie's Beauty Salon, Norwood, Missouri (LOC)
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Ronnie's Beauty Salon, Norwood, Missouri (LOC)
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swanq said:
Ronnie's Beauty Salon is at 215 W Missouri St. Norwood, MO
but there is no Streetview on the street. The column at left supports a water tower.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGH8trtsWAM
is a video of and from the top of the tower, from 8-24-2020.
2.43 minutes into the video shows this building from the back.
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swanq said:
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Salvatore's Hair Design, Worcester, Massachusetts (LOC)
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swanq said:
Still a hair salon.
326 Shrewsbury St, Worcester, MA 01604
See
2023 Streetview
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swanq said:
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Winn Dixie Super Market, Jacksonville, Florida (LOC)
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Winn Dixie Super Market, Jacksonville, Florida (LOC)
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Alan Levine said:
Just found via the new flickr commons map tool, can confirm from living near here, this is Main Street looking north to intersection with Fairford St, City Hall is dome building on left, and the one north of it with the sidewalk canopies is the Hammond Building, both still in use.
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Winn Dixie Super Market, Jacksonville, Florida (LOC)
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swanq said:
This was Lovett's store before it became part of the Winn-Dixie chain. See jaxpsychogeo.com/all-over-town/lovetts-grocery-winn-lovet...
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swanq said:
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"Key Buy" Foods cowboy sign, Umatilla, Oregon (LOC)
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swanq said:
The sign is still there.
See www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/16369
1411 6th St., Umatilla, OR
2023 Streetview
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swanq said:
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The whole population of Birr looked on
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beachcomber australia said:
Looks like that statue (woman and dog?) is being unveiled ...
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beachcomber australia said:
'Maid of Erin' 1894 - www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/14819...
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Mike Grimes said:
51 Main St
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beachcomber australia said:
The Manchester Martyrs Memorial. In 2016 via Stuart Smith.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Mike Grimes beachcomber australia Thank you, map updated.
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Mike Grimes said:
Seemingly unveiled in July 1894 by O’Donovan Rossa who I would say is the grey bearded man on the left of the man waving his arm..
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Mike Grimes
From Irish Daily Independent, Monday, July 23, 1894
(FROM OUR REPORTER)
Birr, Sunday Evening. In the presence of a vast concourse the beautiful memorial statue, in honour of the Manchester Martyrs, at Birr, was unveiled to-day by O'Donovan Rossa. The ceremony was of the most impressive character, people thronged into the town from all the surrounding districts in large numbers, and there were representatives present from Roscrea, Nenagh, Tullamore and other important centres. The statue which has been erected in the market square is a splendid work of art, beautiful in design and workmanship. The pedestal which is made of Kilkenny lime stone, is beautifully engraved, and the entablature bears the inscription Manchester Martyrs; The pedestal supports a figure of Erin holding a harp with a wolf dog by her side and is exquisitely wrought. The mother of one of the martyred youths, Michael Larkin, lives in the neighbourhood, and Larkin himself lived within a hundred yards of where the monument in his memory and the memory of his heroic companions now stands. The meeting was preceded by a procession which started at the railway station on the arrival of the excursion trains from Dublin and Limerick……….. -
National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Mike Grimes No mention of Parsonstown!
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beachcomber australia said:
" ... In proposing a memorial to the Manchester Martyrs, the expected response might have been of a stern and determined young man, gun or pike in hand, staring grimly into the Bearna Baoil. In contrast to the grandeur of the nearby monuments of the Earl and the Duke, the slight figure of a winsome young woman stands on a delicate pedestal. With downcast eyes and her affectionate wolfhound at her side, she touches her harp with one hand and clutches a Celtic cross to her bosom with the other.
Instead of supplying an aggressive depiction of triumphalism and militarism, the work envisages a future Ireland which would be confident but modest, gracious, artistic, feminine, pious and unthreatening. A revolutionary statement indeed. ..."
From - offalyhistoryblog.wordpress.com/2024/01/08/five-fine-work... -
beachcomber australia said:
The Manchester Martyrs inspired a number of memorials -
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Suck Diesel said:
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Suck Diesel said:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons “Between 1620 and 1899 it was called Parsonstown, after the Parsons family who were local landowners and hereditary Earls of Rosse.”
A date range which contradicts the newspaper reports
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Suck Diesel The Irish Independent sub editors were early adopters of Birr then, using it in 1894 above.
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beachcomber australia said:
Found this in Trove after searching 'Birr'; nothing using 'Parsonstown' - (2 pages) - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/169713048/20286518
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Suck Diesel said:
beachcomber australia See
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
suckindeesel ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq The "language of officialdom" is interesting in that article. People aren't always as quick to embrace new names. My mother always referred to Heuston Station as Kingsbridge Station decades after its name change... (Just checked. It changed in 1966)
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
It would be fantastic if we could identify O'Donovan Rossa!
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beachcomber australia said:
I think he is the hatless man at the right end of the picket fence, pulling a rope or stick. Woman in white behind him. See note ...
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beachcomber australia said:
Hmm - just noticed it's the 22 July today too! Spooky!
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Suck Diesel said:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons Same here
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Carol Maddock said:
beachcomber australia I second that! He's mid-unveiling, with the drape floating down, I think.
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Suck Diesel said:
beachcomber australia Yes, could be him, he's grayer than the other beardie with arm raised
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Carol Maddock said:
O'Donovan Rossa was 63 at this time.
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
beachcomber australia I'm happy to use the people identified tag and put it alongside date established and location identified. Well done all! Trifecta!!
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
beachcomber australia I think he has a rope in his hand used for the unveiling, well done.
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beachcomber australia said:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons And a dog! But no clock ...
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Carol Maddock said:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons Not really dreaming. The movement was probably too much for the camera?
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Carol Maddock said:
Do you know what I love most about this photo? The complete and utter absence of Elfin Safety! Plus everyone in it is absolutely having the time of their lives... 😀
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Suck Diesel said:
Carol Maddock Quite the melee, no Health and Safety nonsense in those days!
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Carol Maddock said:
Suck Diesel A lovely spiky palisade at the edge of the stage!
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Carol Maddock said:
I love this photo of Jeremiah O'Donovan Rossa's funeral. Equally crowded, though rather more sombre, as you'd expect...
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kieran connolly said:
I wonder about the US flag?
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
kieran connolly Kieran, O'Donovan Rossa had come from America on a lecture tour?
On 19 May 1894 O’Donovan Rossa left New York to return to Ireland for the first time since his trial in 1865. Arriving in Cobh, he was met by a huge crowd. His arrival had been stage-managed by the IRB, and amongst the crowd were armed men for his protection in case an attempt was made to arrest him. He travelled throughout the country, lecturing about his experiences in prison, and unveiled a monument to the Manchester Martyrs in Birr, Co. Offaly, on 22 July.
www.historyireland.com/the-revolutionary-life-and-afterli...
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beachcomber australia said:
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Weinrich Building, Oshkosh, Wisconsin (LOC)
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swanq said:
Wenrich Building, not Weinrich.
See npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NRHP/96000250_text
which indicates:
There are three Neo-Classical Revival commercial buildings in the district. The Wenrich Marble Works at 566 North Main Street is an unusual example of pre-World War I creative Neo-Classical Revival. Built in 1903, the Wenrich Building has coursed smooth ashlar veneer and features a wide semi-circular arch enriched with a bead-and-reel molding. The elongated keystone supports a
cornice, above which is a stone panel reading: "Wenrich."
See also:
- www.newspapers.com/article/the-oshkosh-northwestern-wenri...
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Jon (LOC P&P) said:
Thanks swanq, we'll fix the spelling of the name.
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swanq said:
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Evacuation of Spike Island
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Ry Gerbrands said:
Lewis is my great grandad and the little boy is my grandad
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National Library of Ireland on The Commons said:
Ry Gerbrands Good to hear from you, please do feel free to tell us more about them. Mary
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Bohack Market, Queens, New York, Queens, New York (LOC)
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swanq said:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohack
"Bohack (full company name "H.C. Bohack", sometimes informally referred to as "Bohack's") was a chain of grocery stores located in the New York City area that opened in 1887 and closed in 1977. They were headquartered in Maspeth, Queens."
The street corner is 60 Dr and Fresh Pond Road, as visible near the One Way sign.
This might be the spot -- 2012 Streetview
-- notice the pillar at right-hand corner of building
2022 Streetview
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swanq said:
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Baer's Market, Santa Monica, California (LOC)
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swanq said:
See images3.loopnet.com/d2/e38S6-TaKwfpVOieyO8r7PF69BJoyI2Ydn...
1627 MONTANA AVENUE
SANTA MONICA, CA 90403
Ashford Building • NWC of Montana Avenue & 17th Street
Dec 2023 Streetview
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swanq said:
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Rise Up Women!
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Silverio Graullers said:
Buena serie de fotos antiguas .
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Cholent pot
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jessamyn west said:
Thank you for this I've added it to the Wikipedia page for cholent
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholent#History
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Marvy Company, St. Paul, Minnesota (LOC)
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swanq said:
Still in business:
- wmmarvyco.com/
1540 St. Clair Avenue
St. Paul, MN 55105
The signs are more restrained in 2023 Streetview
See also:
A survivor with style: The barber pole king
Chicago Tribune – Thursday, June 25, 1981
- wmmarvyco.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Chicago_Tribune.pdf
THE SMITHSONIAN ACCEPTS 75,000th BARBER POLE. February 5, 1998
- wmmarvyco.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Smithsonian.pdf
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swanq said:
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23_0044627 Convair Negative Image
from SDASM Archives
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R Baucke said:
RCS test of a Tomahawk at the RATSCAT facility...
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R Baucke said:
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Red Owl Super Market, Minneapolis, Minnesota (LOC)
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Red Owl Super Market, Minneapolis, Minnesota (LOC)
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23_0049780 Convair Negative Image
from SDASM Archives
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R Baucke said:
This is proof that the radomes were made by Rockwell International in their Tulsa, Ok NAA facility!!!! 🌟
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R Baucke said:
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23_0050172 Convair Negative Image
from SDASM Archives
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R Baucke said:
Looks like an autoclave to me!
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R Baucke said:
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Red Owl Super Market, Minneapolis, Minnesota (LOC)
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swanq said:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Owl_(retail_chain)
"Red Owl was a grocery store chain in the United States, headquartered in Hopkins, Minnesota. Founded in 1922, it was initially owned and operated by a private investment firm affiliated with General Mills, and purchased in 1968 by Gamble-Skogmo."
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swanq said:
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Bondurant's Drug Store, Village Drive, Lexington, Kentucky (LOC)
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swanq said:
See www.atlasobscura.com/places/bondurants-pharmacy
"Bondurant’s Pharmacy was in operation from 1974 to 2011. The pharmacy was designed by founder Joe Bondurant, not surprisingly, after a trip to Las Vegas."
1465 Village Dr
Lexington, Kentucky, 40504
United States
2023 Streetview
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swanq said:
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Wilson's Dairy, Detroit, Michigan (LOC)
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Wilson's Dairy, Detroit, Michigan (LOC)
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swanq said:
www.desmondfuneralhome.com/obituaries/Ira-Wilson-II?obId=...
indicates that the business was sold by Ira Wilson, II in 1980.
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swanq said:
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Photographic postcard of 'Mrs Whitehead's Life Saving Team'
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vernon93 said:
Lovely photo. Is there a good reason why it's geo-tagged to Salford, Lancashire, rather than somewhere in Australia? If there really is a connection, please share.