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Museums of History NSW - State Archives Collection This is the subject of great discussion here... But now there's another mystery ... who wrote "Redfern NSW" on the Powerhouse's print?

The Second Sydney Station Terminus (1874) aka Redfern, on the left, see www.cityrail.info/about/history/central_station_in-depth

John Cowper beachcomber australia Wow, this photo has proved very popular over at the PHM photostream!

Museums of History NSW - State Archives Collection Yes, but most of the hits over the last two years are from me, trying in vain to get the PhM interested. More seriously, I think the popularity is because the PhM is part of the Flickr "Commons", which I don't think State Records NSW subscribes to, probably due to copyright concerns. What you lose in control, you gain in interest. eg Compare the stats on this image PhM - State Records NSW - Also 128,106+ views etc.! -

beachcomber australia Yes, that is a massive difference in views. We did apply to join "The Commons" but at the time there was a four year waiting list! AB

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Thanks for adding the pic.

Would the location be North Strathfield?

Sure is :-)

This must be a very old photo. Charles Bayliss was also there about the same time, judging by the vegetation -

Closer examination - it looks as if this photo is earlier than the Bayliss one, comparing the vegetation on the wedge of embankment. Opinions?

Any chance of working out the number on the locomotive? My computer tends to digitise at the magnification needed. Can State Records help?

John Cowper "Class Z1412 (G23) No.34 locomotive" is on the subtitle (which are renowned to be inaccurate). Does that help? it looks like an old loco to me, but I know zilch about trains.

beachcomber australia Thanks! Trust me not to read the obvious! The Great Zig Zag was opened on 18 October 1869 and the (G) 23 class, of which 34 was the twelfth member, entered service between September and October 1865. Thirteen were in service by December 1870 which would certainly date the picture from the earliest of days of this engineering marvel. This makes sense, as the final four of this class were fitted with 168 cm coupled wheels which made the handling of steeper grades - such as would be encountered on the Zig Zag the Blue Mountains, and the line around Picton - easier. The original nine of the class had 175 cm coupled wheels and reduced tractive effort. One could conjecture, therefore, that the shot was taken during locomotive trials - hence the person at the rear of the train and the person looking up the line (although the same photograph in William a Bayley's book 'Lithgow Zig Zag Railway' [undated] describes the train as a "tourist train"). Either explanation is plausible. The story of the (G) 23 class is an interesting one. Although they entered service as a 2-4-0 locomotive between 1865 and 1870, from 1890s they were transshipped from the workshops rebuilt as a 4-4-0 locomotive which completely altered their appearance!. They were then transferred to the south-western and far-western depots where there were few grades. The last remaining member of the class (Z1405 - under the 1924 reclassification) was scrapped in June 1952 having travelled 1 866 880 km. Sadly none of the class remain (I'm grateful to Leon Oberg's book Locomotives of Australia for some additional information about the (G) 23 class.)