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this must be her very last voyage, departing NYC back to France before the war, wow! LA LORRAINE / LORRAINE II 1899 Built in 1899 by CGT, St Nazaire, the LA LORRAINE was a 11,146 gross ton ship, length 563.1ft x beam 60ft, two funnels, two masts, twin screw and a speed of 20 knots. There was accommodation for 446-1st, 116-2nd and 552-3rd class passengers. Launched on 20/9/1899 for the Compagnie Generale Transatlantique (French Line) she sailed on her maiden voyage from Havre to New York on 11/8/1900. On 25/7/1914 she started her last voyage on this route before the war and between 1914 and 1917 was used as an Armed Merchant Cruiser and renamed LORRAINE II. In 1918 she reverted to her original name and commenced her first voyage in May 1918 when she sailed between Bordeaux and New York. Her last sailing on this route commenced on 19/1/1919 and on 22/2/1919 she resumed the Havre - New York service. In May 1922 she was refitted to carry cabin and 3rd class passengers only and on 1/10/1922 commenced her final Havre - New York sailing. In December 1922 she was scrapped at St Nazaire. [North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.2,p.658]

"La Lorraine" in New York harbor, 8/5/14:

nice view!

wonderful

1942 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Normandie#Demise

wow

i can't believe it!!!this is amazing!! great one!!! deserves a fave!!!

Such a sad situation and time in the history of the great Ocean Liners.

Aeromarine Airways' Model 85 flying boat (a converted Curtiss HS-2L), named "Waldorf", in the foreground, as the French Line ship SS Paris (1916) approaches in the distance. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Paris_(1916) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeromarine_West_Indies_Airways www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/aeromfl.htm

TVL1970 Hello Jonathan. I think you have identified the Aeromarine "Waldorf" cleanly but I was not able to link the name 'Waldorf" of this flying boat to the Model 85. There seems to be only an incomplete list of names of the ca. 15 Model 85 flying boats, about 7 names are identified but not the "Waldorf".

Thank you for the comment, Kees. Looking into this deeper, I came across some information that should secure Waldorf's identity as an Aeromarine Model 85 flying boat. At The Aeromarine Website, Waldorf is identified as an "Aeromarine Model 85/80" among a list of aircraft operated by the airline. Both types of aircraft were modified surplus HS-2L flying boats, but the Model 80 could be distinguished from Model 85 by the Model 80's addition of an enclosed passenger cabin (which Waldorf lacks). Further, just a bit of circumstantial evidence, all of the Aeromarine Airways' aircraft named after famous hotels and captured in photos - Ambassador, McAlpin, Vanderbilt, and Biltmore - were Model 85s, like Waldorf. However, the best evidence as to Waldorf's type is a two-page Aeromarine advertisement in Aviation and Aircraft Journal, February 7, 1921, Vol. X, No. 6, on pages 173-174. The ad illustrates the company's line of surplus HS-2L (and derived) aircraft, including the Model 85 as "Aeromarine-Navy HS-2-L, Six Seat. Open Cockpit Flying Boat, Model No. 85," and "Aeromarine-Navy HS-2-L, Enclosed Cabin De Luxe Flying Limousine, Model No. 80." As an aside, this ad is in the middle of a pretty interesting article about the company, spanning pages 171-176. As best I can tell, from The Aeromarine Website, contemporary direct sources - like the company's advertisements, the configuration of the aircraft, etc., the best available evidence points to Waldorf being a Model 85 flying boat.

Thanks for your research, TVL1970 and Kees Kort . We will add some of this information to the catalog record for the image.