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Aeromarine Airways' Model 85 flying boat (a converted Curtiss HS-2L), named "Waldorf", in the foreground, as the French Line ship SS Paris (1916) approaches in the distance. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Paris_(1916) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeromarine_West_Indies_Airways www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/aeromfl.htm

TVL1970 Hello Jonathan. I think you have identified the Aeromarine "Waldorf" cleanly but I was not able to link the name 'Waldorf" of this flying boat to the Model 85. There seems to be only an incomplete list of names of the ca. 15 Model 85 flying boats, about 7 names are identified but not the "Waldorf".

Thank you for the comment, Kees. Looking into this deeper, I came across some information that should secure Waldorf's identity as an Aeromarine Model 85 flying boat. At The Aeromarine Website, Waldorf is identified as an "Aeromarine Model 85/80" among a list of aircraft operated by the airline. Both types of aircraft were modified surplus HS-2L flying boats, but the Model 80 could be distinguished from Model 85 by the Model 80's addition of an enclosed passenger cabin (which Waldorf lacks). Further, just a bit of circumstantial evidence, all of the Aeromarine Airways' aircraft named after famous hotels and captured in photos - Ambassador, McAlpin, Vanderbilt, and Biltmore - were Model 85s, like Waldorf. However, the best evidence as to Waldorf's type is a two-page Aeromarine advertisement in Aviation and Aircraft Journal, February 7, 1921, Vol. X, No. 6, on pages 173-174. The ad illustrates the company's line of surplus HS-2L (and derived) aircraft, including the Model 85 as "Aeromarine-Navy HS-2-L, Six Seat. Open Cockpit Flying Boat, Model No. 85," and "Aeromarine-Navy HS-2-L, Enclosed Cabin De Luxe Flying Limousine, Model No. 80." As an aside, this ad is in the middle of a pretty interesting article about the company, spanning pages 171-176. As best I can tell, from The Aeromarine Website, contemporary direct sources - like the company's advertisements, the configuration of the aircraft, etc., the best available evidence points to Waldorf being a Model 85 flying boat.

Thanks for your research, TVL1970 and Kees Kort . We will add some of this information to the catalog record for the image.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_France_%281910%29

From April 27, 1912 NYT query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9805E2DE153CE633A... : PASSENGERS PRAISE NEW FRENCH LINER; The France Found to be a Good Sea Boat and Her Turbines Give Little Vibration. The new French liner France, arrived in port yesterday afternoon on her maiden voyage from Havre, with 324 cabin and 949 steerage passengers. Capt. Poncelet took the new long southern course, and did not sight any ice on the voyage.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Paris_(1916) "The SS Paris was a French ocean liner built in Saint-Nazaire, France for the Compagnie Générale Transatlantique. The French Line's Paris was built by Chantiers de l'Atlantique of St. Nazaire. Although Paris was laid down in 1913, her launching was delayed until 1916, and she was not completed until 1921, due to World War I. When Paris was finally completed, she was the largest liner under the French flag, at 34,569 tons."

The liner Paris arrived in New York on her maiden run from Le Havre on June 21, 1921, s. New-York tribune., June 23, 1921, Page 3, col. 5 chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1921-06-23/ed-...

Thanks, swanq and B-59 . We will add some of these details to the catalog record.