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They have a dog....

DannyM8 And a very fine dog too...

National Library of Ireland on The Commons I could not agree with you more. There is a Rosa Frederica Grubb (65) in Clogheen in 1911 - possibly this mans Mother? she is described as a "Female Farmer" (not too many of them to the dozen in 1911!!) www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003292386/

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There could be a connection with Howard Grubb of Irish telescope fame. The Parsons giant telescope is on www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/8392017304/in/photostream/ The firm of Grubb Parsons made telescopes in Newcastle upon Tyne.

There is a book about it in the library: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000020443 Here are some quotes from the book: "In August, 1842, Mrs. Ellen Byrne was tried at the Commission Court, Dublin, for the murder of her husband, Augustine Byrne, by strangulation, suffocation, or other violence. The prisoner and deceased, who were in a respectable condition of life, were in the habit of drinking to excess." "No motive could be assigned for the murder, nor for her remaining shut up in the same room with her husband, as it was alleged, for four or five days. Under these circumstances, with the admission by some of the scientific witnesses that the protrusion of the eye and tongue might have been caused by putrefaction, the jury returned a verdict of not guilty." Source: www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/charles-meymott-tidy/legal...

Michiel2005 Thank you! They certainly didn't hang about for the arraignment, if Mr Byrne's body was only examined on Saturday 9 July.

Eeew! The details in the ebook are revolting - quite put me off my dinner (lamb chops and veggies).

From the account of the trial in Freeman's August 16th 1842

Her appearance in court produced a great sensation, and the utmost curiosity was evinced to catch a glimpse of her face or person. She was attired in the deepest weeds, made according to the most modern fashion, and wore a double veil of dense crepe, which, even when lifted, fell around her face in such thick drapery as to render her face almost invisible. In her hand she held a rich bouquet, and her demeanour throughout the whole proceedings was characterised by the most unruffled composure, and the utmost self-possession.

The trial certainly excited a great deal of public interest. Freeman's Journal devoted well over a page to coverage of each of the 2 days of the trial. The coverage began with this paragraph (Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser, Tuesday, August 16, 1842):

Yesterday being the day fixed for the trial of Ellen Byrne, for the alleged murder of her husband, the utmost excitement was manifested in the public mind throughout every district of the city, and more particularly in the vicinity of Green-street, which, with all the adjoining avenues, comprising the whole line of streets lying in the direction of Capel-street, Great Britain-street, Henry-street, Essex-bridge, &c. &c., was crowded at an early hour of the morning to such an excess as to be rendered almost wholly impassable. Indeed the crowds of the idle and the curious who congregated in this portion of the city were so dense as to be wholly incalculable, and it is not a little surprising that no accident or fatality of any description whatsoever should have occurred amid so vast a multitude, naturally excited by a proceeding of deep popular interest, and who, one and all, evidenced the deepest anxiety as to every circumstance connected with the melancholy and mysterious occurrence which furnished the occasion for yesterday's investigation.

and ended, after what looks like a verbatim account of the cross-examinations with this (Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser, Wednesday, August 17, 1842):

The jury retired at twenty minutes to four, and having been absent from court about half an hour, returned with a verdict of NOT GUILTY. The announcement of this finding was received with murmurs in the court-house. Clerk of the Crown. - Discharge the prisoner. The ponderous bolt of the dock was shot back, and the prisoner was free as the freest of the eager spectators who had assembled to witness her trial. The court adjourned till the 26th of October. The crowds which congregated in front of Newgate were enormous, and the most marked dissatisfaction was manifested by the populace at the result of the trial. Mrs. Byrne remained for an hour and a half in the court-house, after the rising of the court, in the hope that the patience of the crowds assembled without would be exhausted at length, and that when they saw that the object of their curiosity did not appear, that they would quietly separate. In this expectation, however, she was mistaken; the mob was not to be baffled, and were it not for a ruse of the police she might have remained in the court-house till midnight. At seven o'clock, however. Mr Inspector Wade ordered a covered car to be drawn up at the entrance to Newgate, and he conducted into the vehicle a female resembling the prisoner in stature, but who was dressed in such deep weeds that her face was rendered wholly invisible. The pseudo Mrs. Byrne entered the car with the inspector, and away rolled the jarvey, escorted by a number of the horse police, amid the hooting and angry exclamations of the infuriate populace. As soon as the car arrived at the corner of Harcourt-street the widow got out and walked quietly about her business. Mr Wade returned to Green-street, which was as desolate as if there had never been 5 people together there since the world began. Another car as then procured. Mrs Byrne, "the true and genuine," drove away in the company of her sons amid the utmost tranquillity.

John Spooner Does it say who the lawyers were? Perchance?

The registration plates noted are from Tipperary South Riding, does not add much for the purposes of dating the photo. HI 1 to HI 9999 (Dec 1903 - Sep 1954).

O’Gorman premises (Head Office, Sales Department & Showrooms) at 36 & 37 Parnell Street, Clonmel, Tipperary. Comments: I believe the 2 Fords (with starter handles) are the same type? The strange, very clean car windscreen. The near front side, wonky looking wooden wheel. A shop front display, comprising of a radiator, starter handle and lights! Car registration 'HI 424' on the radiator. And a werewolf of place, next door to the premises! See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Gorman_Coach_Builders This showroom is next to Hearns Hotel(which is still there today), where Charles Bianconi established his horse-drawn coach travel empire.

A Fordson tractor of the sort produced in Cork 1919 - 1922 www.flickr.com/photos/jerseyjj/3371720622/

are there any car spotters who can ID this type of car ?? www.flickr.com/photos/foxglove/26210392/ its an old photo from Newry, man by the wheel was a local doctor and his driver standing off side

Desktop 123 Desktop 123 "...werewolf of place next door" hehheh! That's a perfect description.