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Hi, Very interesting to see the 'knifeboard' arrangement for top deck passengers on the trams in both photographs. This arrangement was superceded by the 'Garden Seat' configuration where passengers face forward as in modern day buses etc. I think the change was gradual starting in the late 1870s early 1880s.

Leonard Bentley Thank you so much! Hadn't heard that term before, but will use it as a tag in future, or Garden Seat where applicable. This says that the term was first used in Punch on 15 May 1862...

The rails seem to very wide apart compared with the later electric trams.

blackpoolbeach Much wider! Do you remember this one of the woman dashing across the street at almost exactly the same spot on Patrick Street?

If only they could bring these street lamps back, to replace the current, building site inspired monstrosities.

Father Theobald Mathew (1790 - 1856) - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Mathew Statue 1864 - www.corkpastandpresent.ie/places/stpatricksstreet/selecte... There were four gas lamps later - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000040388 And later still, tram poles and wires - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000320282

this picture is before 1892, when the first horse tram ran.

Via Trove, this 1864 description - "The greatest event of the month [October 1864], however, has been the inauguration of Father Mathew's statue at Cork, which took place upon the 10th instant, amidst the most gratifying demonstration from all parties. The chisel of the illustrious [John] Hogan has given to us the placid face and the majestic form of the great Apostle, giving us a vivid idea of that inward power which enabled him to sway countless multitudes and subjugate them to his will. The priest, the father, the friend is gone but his spirit still dwells among us, visible in the improved habits not only of our own people but of all civilized nations who now happily look upon drunkenness as a vice and esteem temperance a virtue. ... " From - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/128801663?searchTerm=%... Flickr is sometimes amazing! An 1889 engraving of the inauguration, via Andy Brill

There is an earlier stereo pair without the ankle-biter bollards or "The New York House" at No. 12. Might help with dating - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000564283

Noticing that gas lamps, along the street that narrow it to before 1927. esbarchives.ie/2017/09/18/connecting-cork-to-the-national... So, were there tax collection records in Cork or Census, back between 1864 to 1930? Could identify one or two business and then cross-check tax and census records. Furneral notices for business owners along the street would also narrow it down, because it is likely the business did not extend much beyond passing. Clothing, certain hats worn, during a particular span opf time would also help. Further . . . This reference states there were electric trams with overhead powerlines in Cork, from 1901. And, I assume they were horse drawn from December 1898. www.askaboutireland.ie/learning-zone/primary-students/loo... www.askaboutireland.ie/aai-files/assets/libraries/an-chom... Wiki cites 22 December 1898 upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Patrick_Stree... upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Patrick_Stree... upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/A_street_scen... (Fergus O'Connor, Photographer) So, which is correct ESB reference or askaboutireland reference for primary schools? I would question the dating of the reference here: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000320282 Nobody in uniform, street is quite busy, so good economic times. So, assume sometime between 1864 and 1898.

My mother had a saying that "Patrick Street Cork would be the finest street in the land if they only took the "Bind" (bend) out of it!!!" You can see the street from right to left down a couple of hundred metres.

Very amusing to note that Paris already brought a flavour of glamour... (Paris Studio)

Another Munster street view which hasn't changed all that markedly in >100 years. Most notable differences are the frontage of St. Patrick's Buildings (the "Paris Photo Studio" building opposite Daunt Sq) and the "extra window" which now bisects the W&B sign. (FYI - Pretty sure the extra window opening was added while still owned by W&B. Certainly it was there in the 80s when the building was converted - by W&B themselves - for use as a fast food place named Mandy's and definitely pre-dates McD's) Lots of historical W&B docs available in UCC Boole library archive. (Always knew W&B were an "institution" in Cork, but didn't know they owned the Oyster Tavern and half of Sheare Street!)

I love this :)

the late General Tom Barry, famous for his exploits in the Cork No.3 Brigade flying column in West Cork during the War of Independence, lived with his wife Leslie (née Price, founder of the Irish Red Cross), in a flat directly over Woodford Bourne for many years. The top window on the left would have been theirs from the 1940s until his death in 1980.