glasnevin

Flickr is sometimes amazing! Via Internet Archive Book Images from a different angle, to the right. Oddly the vegetation (ivy etc) seems the same, but the open windows do not. Dated by 1916, which doesn't really help ... And in 2006 via John Tinsley -

BUT... the wikipedia article - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_College_(Dublin) - has this ... "In 1902 the name Albert Agricultural College was adopted. ...", implying this photo with just "Albert College" written on it was before the 1902 name change. Also an almost exact 'now' view - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Albert_college_front1.JPG

There is also a view of the west facade (to the left); I think it was taken at the same time as this 'cos of the three top right windows (top left windows here) are open in similar pattern - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000040802 Where is everyone today ... ?

It began life in 1838 as a model farm for National Teachers. It is worth remembering that Agricultural Science was an important subject for National Teachers in a very agricultural country. Carysfort Teacher Training college in Blackrock had its own working farm until its closure in 1988. The Albert College was acquired by UCD in 1926. In 1979 it became the first of two National Institutes of Higher Education, a short lived experiment as they both became universities, DCU and UL, in 1989.

25" OSI showing the college. It's not on the 6", but the Cassini map shows it as part of UCD.

There's a thread from 2014 on the Glasnevin Heritage FB page about a similar search for this site. They seemingly couldn't find it on the OSI. Although the thread has a few suggestions on location...

Earliest mention in the newspapers is Friday, 7 July 1911 - a snippet about their July Monthly Meda which was 18 holes against bogey apparently. In October 1912, the hon. sec., John B. Patterson had an unemployed man - ultimately fined 5 shillings and costs or 7 days in chokey - taken to court for trespassing on the links. (Evening Herald, 25 October 1912) They had women members too, according to the Irish Independent, 10 January 1914.

The Glasnevin Heritage page on Facebook has some information, indicating that it closed in 1920 m.facebook.com/GlasnevinHeritage/photos/a.182651638552178...

The Glasnevin Heritage FB thread suggests that perhaps it was around here - close to the junction between the Finglas Road and Old Finglas Road. An area I happen to know fairly well. And this image rings no bells at all with me. The landform behind the clubhouse could indeed well be one of the "disused sandpits" labelled on the OSI map. And would be consistent with the "road near Botanic Gdns" description. Whereever it was, seemingly Taoiseach John A. Costello was a member. And, according to his biography, he had some difficulty getting home from there during Easter week 1916. The route he describes cycling (to Rathdown Rd via North Circular Rd) doesn't really help much.

That OSI sheet, DN018-03 was surveyed in 1907.

Lonergan it seems left to join his Family in the U.S.A. in 1914. Therefore, the photo is not 1915 or middle of front row is not Lonergan. Lonergan statement - BMH

Throughout these early pioneering years of the Fianna, Lonergan’s family frequently asked him to join them in the United States; despite his love of Ireland and his passion for the Fianna and the newly founded Irish Volunteers, these constant appeals eventually persuaded him in 1914 to ‘up sticks’ and leave his homeland to be re-united with his family in New York City. Fianna Eireann History

DannyM8 Think it is deffo Michael Lonergan, so before or during April 1914 then? Also interesting that he writes of the Houlihan brothers, rather than Holohan. I think I've seen Holahan as a spelling also.

Carol Maddock Carol Yes to the date range. I have seen this picture on other sites with the 1915 date.

Padraig Ryan is probably the Padriag O'Riain mentioned in the Fianna Eireann wiki article as being secretary.