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Helen Gould's wedding was Jan 22, 1913 Helen Gould's Home, Scene of Her Wedding To-day to F.J. Shepard (NYT January 22, 1913) query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9D01EFD6123BE633A...

The Gould family's nomenclature was a bit odd, and might have confused the Bain captioner. I believe this photo depicts Helen Gould's brother, George Jay Gould I (1864-1923) and his son George Jay Gould II (1888-1935.) Family patriarch Jason "Jay" Gould (1836-1892) named none of his sons Jason, but gave both George and Frank the middle name Jay, so there actually was no Jay Gould, Jr.. George Jay Gould II was sometimes referred to as Jay Gould II. Correction: The odd Gould nomenclature has tripped me up, too. Jay Gould II (1888-1935) and George Jay Gould II (b 1896) were two different sons of George Jay Gould I. This photo must depict Jay Gould II, since it was taken in 1913 when Jay II would have been about 25, and George Jay II about 17. Or could this possibly be the two sons, rather than the father and older son? Neither of these guys looks to be pushing fifty.

George Gould (George Senior, son of the robber baron), had two sons, George (George Junior) and Jay (Jay II), and my bet is that these are the brothers in this photo. There are other pictures on here of Jay Gould II (grandson of the robber baron). Click on Gould tag above to see some photos. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Jay_Gould_I Jay II: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Gould_II

Thanks to all for attempts at identifying the somewhat confusing - and extended - Gould family! It seems most likely these are George Jay Gould II (or George Jay Gould, Jr.) and Jay Gould II. We will expand this description when we update the record.

My name is Leonard J Gould and I am the great-great-grandson of Jay Gould. There is a serious error in the accounting here about my grandfather, George Jay Gould II. The birth and death dates given are for Jay Gould II (great tennis star) NOT George Jay Gould II, who was NOT a great tennis star! I am not aware for sure of my grandfather's date of birth, but I know for absolute certainty that he died in the winter or spring of 1963, in France. He married and divorced Laura Carter and married a woman named Louise Jacqueline (last name unknown) who died in 1992 in Cannes, France (and who we knew as Jacqueline). I hope this helps and if someone wants to verify and CORRECT this record I'd be grateful. George II had four sons, two (George, my father, and Maughan) by Laura and two (Howard and Patrick) by Jacqueline. I am here looking for some information because we have just been informed by legal counsel from Paris that Patrick, my uncle, passed away days ago in Europe.

Wonder how many minks died to make those coats?

That's railroad magnate George Jay Gould (1864-1923): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Jay_Gould_I (One of his morbid claims to fame is that he was a victim of the "mummy's curse," dying from pneumonia soon after visiting the tomb of Tutankhamen.) The little girl is probably the ill-fated Gloria Gould Bishop Barker (1906-1943), who would marry twice before drowning in her swimming pool at 37: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Gould The other one is probably Edith Catherine Gould Wainwright MacNeal (Lady MacNeal) (1902?-1937), who also married twice before dying young; her son Stuyvesant Wainwright II (b. 1921) was briefly a Congressman. He's apparently at his sister Helen Miller Gould's 1913 wedding to Finley Johnson Shepard: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Miller_Gould

The fur worn by the children is ermine.

very interesting ... always nice to have a look into the past :)

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