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A remarkable collection of early aviators (as described on the photo) in St. Louis in October 1911. From left to right: Walter Brookins A. Roy Knabenshue Howard Gill Dr. Henry W. Walden Andrew Drew George W. Beatty Albert B. Lambert Phil Parmelee Cliff Turpin Alfred Elton John D. Cooper

Wright Model B of 1912

Cannot say for certain, but that appears to be Cliff Turpin at the controls. It's probably worth it for someone at SDASM to take a look at a larger resolution version of the photo and see if it is indeed Turpin. Here is a fine piece on Turpin authored by Paul Glenshaw for Air & Space Smithsonian Magazine, in the February 2016 issue: Air & Space Smithsonian - Clifford Turpin, King of the Air - He was one of the great original airshow pilots. Why did he hide his past?

At the Kentucky State FairGrounds in November 1911, the purple handbill promised armored cars, motorcycles, artillery, an ambulance corps, a re-enactment of Mexican guerrillas battling U.S. Army infantry, and most important, the “Wright’s Aviators—Kings Of The Air.” The copy was breathless: “Aviator P.O. Parmelee who did scout duty for U.S. Government on the Mexican border during the revolution, and Aviator Clifford Turpin, the world’s two greatest Aviators fight a desperate duel in the skies.” Parmelee and Turpin were not only best friends, they were something very rare for the time: veteran airshow pilots. Were they the world’s greatest? Did it matter? The fact that they were pilots was enough, or so the organizers hoped. Despite a spectacle of impressive-looking troops and sombrero-clad “Mexicans,” the press at the fair reported lousy weather and small crowds. But there were rave reviews of the flying, which included a “pistol duel” and all the standard Wright team dips, spirals, and glides. Cliff Turpin and Phil Parmelee were absolutely world famous, at least according to the promoters in Kentucky. Earlier that year, the state fair organizers in Illinois (and three other states) said they were world famous too. Turpin and Parmelee themselves said the same thing the next year to the passengers in Venice Beach they sold rides to, and at dozens of other jobs. They were on an adventure that would make a fine epic poem, and they invented the airshow business that, to this day, reflects their influence. Turpin made it out alive; Parmelee didn’t. It ended so badly that for the next five decades, Turpin almost never spoke about his flying days. . . .

TVL1970 I blew the photo up, it sure is him! Thanks

The caption on the print is incorrect. On the right side of the photo is seated famed early aviator J. Clifford Turpin in what is likely a Wright Model B aircraft. "Lieut. Rogers" is actually at the controls on the left side of the photo and is likely Lieutenant John Rodgers (US Naval Aviator #2). Rodgers was trained at the Wright School of Aviation in 1911 and flew from Huffman Prairie in Dayton, Ohio at the same time Cliff Turpin was a Wright Company pilot and instructor. While Rodgers was training at Huffman Prairie, he was visited by his cousin Calbraith "Cal" Perry Rodgers. Cal Rodgers became interested in aviation and he himself was instructed by the Wright Company and purchased his own aircraft. Cal Rodgers would become the first aviator to fly from coast to coast (Sept. 17 to Nov. 11, 1911) in a Wright Model EX Flyer named the "Vin Fiz". Cal Rodgers would perish in a plane crash during an exhibition flight over Long Beach, California in April 1912. Lt. John Rodgers would become Commander John Rodgers. Rodgers perished in 1926 when the aircraft he was piloting plunged into the Delaware River. Six ships were named in honor of him, his great-grandfather (Commodore John Rodgers) and grandfather (Admiral John Rodgers) – USS Rodgers and USS John Rodgers (DD-574, DD-983). John Rodgers Airport (now Honolulu International Airport, HNL) was also named after him (from Wikipedia). More here: hawaii.gov/hawaiiaviation/hawaii-aviation-pioneers/john-r...

Thanks for the information TVL 1970. We'll correct the names next time we update the record.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calbraith_Perry_Rodgers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clifford_Turpin

texashistory.unt.edu/data/SUM2006/MMPL/box4_us_army/meta-...

"Pilot and co-pilot seated in biplane on an airfield....after breaking American duration and distance record by flying from Texas City to San Antonio on March 28th and back to Texas City on March 31, 1913." texashistory.unt.edu/data/SUM2006/MMPL/box4_us_army/meta-...

Quite possibly seated in a Wright B Flyer. Control stick and cross wire supports similar. Pilot and co-pilot sits side by side. Wrights were marketing their Wright B Flyer at this time. See www.wright-b-flyer.org for reblica pics

The caption on the print is incorrect. On the right side of the photo is seated early aviator J. Clifford Turpin in what is likely a Wright Model B aircraft. Turpin was an instructor at the Wright School at the time (future Brig. Gen.) Thomas DeWitt Milling was a student there in 1911. Both Turpin and Milling would lead distinguished careers in aviation. J. Clifford Turpin earlyaviators.com/eturpin.htm Thomas DeWitt Milling earlyaviators.com/emilling.htm

Thomas DeWitt Milling (July 31, 1887 - November 26, 1960) was a pioneer of military aviation and a brigadier general in the U.S. Army Air Corps. He was the first rated pilot in the history of the United States Army Air Forces. He received his flight training from the Wright Brothers and was awarded Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) pilot certificate No. 30 on July 6, 1911. Although Milling was not the first U.S. Army aviator, he was the first to be rated according to FAI rules and received Military Aviator Certificate No. 1 on July 5, 1912. Milling also received the first badge awarded to an American military aviator in October 1913. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_DeWitt_Milling en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clifford_Turpin