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This photograph is part of the Indicommons.org post And that was July … across the Commons.

The lower picture was taken by William Henry Jackson (Date Created/Published: [between 1880 and 1897) and is found in Detroit Publishing Company Collection, The Library of Congress. www.loc.gov/pictures/item/det1994003394/PP/ It was most likely taken in San Luis Potosí City by Calzada de Guadalupe between Carlos 10 Gutiérrez Street and Espinosa y Cuevas where used to be the one Federal Army garrison buildings Nowadays the Internado Damián Carmona, the other building to Internado's left, it is Mexican Army Public Library (in antother copy of this same picture, on the lower borher is scratch-entitled with script characters as Noonday Bivouack Goverment Troops at Hacienda Peotillos). If Jackson is the author of this picture, most likely was between years 1891 and 1892. During the uprisings in Western Chihuahua (mostly Tomóchic) federal troops were asked by Governor Carrillo and authorized and sent by President Díaz. So the picture does not correpond to the uprising held by June 28, 1908 in Viesca, Coahuila, near Torreón where 1500 troops arrived to quell the revolutionaries (see Los Angeles Herald, june 29, 1908, page 2, "BIG ARMY IS MARCHING ON TORREON....". The Library of Congress, Historic News Papers, Chronicling America chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85042462/1908-06-28/ed-... ) The Hacienda Peotillos (San Luis Potosí) main house is not alike to the building depicted. If you go to San Luis Potosí City in Google Maps and "walk" in street view by the streets before mentioned you'll see the building! Dr. Roberto Duarte Plastic Surgeon

Hmmm - Wikipedia is unsure - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Emmet#Burial

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Percy Bysshe Shelley in 1812 "On Robert Emmet’s Grave." 6. No trump tells thy virtues — the grave where they rest With thy dust shall remain unpolluted by fame, Till thy foes, by the world and by fortune caressed, Shall pass like a mist from the light of thy name. 7. When the storm-cloud that lowers o’er the day-beam is gone, Unchanged, unextinguished its life-spring will shine; When Erin has ceased with their memory to groan, She will smile through the tears of revival on thine. From - ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/shelley/percy_bysshe/s54cp/volum...

"... The crypt [of St Michan's] also holds the coffins of the Sheare brothers who were executed by the British – and as was discovered recently drawn and quartered as well – for the Rising of 1798, as well as mathematician William Rowan Hamilton, the many Earls of Kenmare, and supposedly – though others claim him too – the remains of Robert Emmet, the Irish rebel killed by the British in 1803. From - www.atlasobscura.com/places/st-michans-church

CrYpTVieW ! - goo.gl/maps/6v91AJMsKptyZXzRA

Who was manning the road block, I wonder? British or Irish soldiers? They are wearing Pattern 1914 leather webbing, that integrated the Pattern 1908 canvas webbing during the Great War. They are also carrying extra cloth cartridge bandoliers for fast reloading. Leather Pattern 1914 webbing was withdrawn by the Britsih Military in 1921, but no doubt it remained in service longer in other militaries that used Britsh equipment. Here's an interesting website about webbing www.karkeeweb.com/1914main.html

In this 1919 photo, taken in Germany, my great grandfather (to the right) is wearing a Pattern 1908 canvas webbing belt, while his friend to the left has a pattern 1914 leather one. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/patrick_castelli/5922054314/]

I just saw the date the photo was taken on, so these must be British soldiers, and as all canvas Pattern 1908 webbing was reserved for front line troops, that explains the use of leather Pattern 1914!

Patrick Castelli Sorry, Patrick, didn't get to this quickly enough, but sure you answered your own question without me! :) However, it's an interesting point, and made me return to the description above. I had put in "British soldiers", but have now amended it to "British ARMY soldiers". Those individual men could have been Irish, English, Welsh or Scottish...

National Library of Ireland on The Commons True, I was wondering that myself, they might even have belonged to locally recruited Irish regiments. Even if I suspect that the British War Office made sure all Irish soldiers were stationed and trained away from Ireland...for obvious reasons!