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Lovely 'lliteration!

Haunted Well and Pier Road, Tramore.
Il is said, Spirits are often seen here at Midnight!

Perhaps the kind of spirits contained in a bottle?

Suck Diesel I think you may be right!

Carol Maddock Thank you.

I bet Paul O'Farrell knows a lot about the well.

Flickr, Mr Poole and Paul O'Farrell are all amazing!

And another three ...

beachcomber australia Snap!

Mr French / Lawrence made a Cabinet copy with less definition and two titles. I wonder why? L_CAB_09187 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000330872

Same with this one -
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000318055
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000330873

Looks neglected now.
maps.app.goo.gl/LfKzt9wPF6QiYXwF7?g_st=ac

The keystone of the arch has "AUGUST 25 1859" carved on it (a Thursday). See the photo and stories here -
www.munster-express.ie/community-notes/spooky-stories-fro...

beachcomber australia I have never seen that before!

O Mac Map updated.

National Library of Ireland on The Commons
In colour

homethoughtsfromabroad626.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/haunte...

The fashions suggested the end of the date range, maybe 1910-14

The Sunday Mirror got in on the act on 23rd April 1933.

Also in late 1933 there were reports that the well had dried up. The Waterford Standard pointed out that while America was going wet (end of prohibition) Tramore was going dry.

John Spooner Ooooh, "certain circumstances"! Very spooky...

L_ROY_09580 (nearby in the catalogue) is the Grand Hotel, Tranore, looking very ordinary except for a couple of motor cars, PI-2189(?) and WI-117. Might nudge the date towards the end of the Lawrence range - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000318052

John Spooner Yes, drying up in 1934 via Trove - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/168912707?searchTerm=t...

beachcomber australia PIs only went to 500ish in 1914. I think the reg must be RI from Dublin, which went to 3000.

The well does not appear on the 1830s, 1900 or 1930s OSI maps.

The two Royal photos are of different Wells, one haunted, one wishing. In the copies, the wishing well is retitled as a haunted well.

I see a Poole Postcard online called Steps Leading to the Wishing Well which are not the steps near the haunted well.

Same steps are in POOLEWP 1723

The Wishing Well is not marked on maps either, but if I'm right it is near the cove below the Seahorse memorial.

....chained and cuffed they returned her to her cell....

beachcomber australia I've tried to find other accounts of the well drying up but they all seem to quote the same spartan year-round swimmer.

Niall McAuley Those steps lead down to what was once called Lady Doneraile's Cove. The steps were still accessible in the early 1980's but were blocked off sometime later as they had become too dangerous.

Paul O'Farrell thank you.

“One night, two of my friends who were coming from the Doneraile down the steps saw an old woman on the road by the well. They noticed she was a small woman or ‘low to the ground’ they used say. Anyway, they continued past her and quickly went up the steps which take you to Cliff Road and as they passed her they heard a scream like nothing they ever heard before. It scared them so much they ran all the way home. The woman believed what her friends heard that night was the scream of the banshee. They told her: “It’s something that stays with you for the rest of your life”. It’s like nothing you have ever heard and something you will never forget.” Those women never ever went near the place after that again. They was many sightings of the old woman. Most people found the steps scary, but she was always spotted on the road by the well. I also want to mention that we had the driest of summers but that well never ran dry. Times may have changed and the area is now well lit up, and our road certainly isn’t a dirt track but people are still scared passing the well at night. There have been so many stories and sightings since my time, but I pity anyone who’s unfortunate enough to hear her cry. (Around the late 1930s)”

www.munster-express.ie/community-notes/spooky-stories-fro...

For more stories

The date stone "AUGUST 25 1859" is very finely carved with serifs and 3D effects. But puzzling - most date stones do not include the day and month; most memorials say who to. What happened in Tramore on that day, spooky or otherwise?
(Google mentions invading Russians and solar flares, which sounds all too familiar!)

One version of the story

“THE HAUNTED WELL The wishing well was also noted as a haunted well having gained its reputation from a tragic accident which occurred on the 6th July 1901. Mary Holohan drowned at the spring well where she was found slumped in the shallow water. Local people were convinced Mary had seen a ghost and had died from fright. However a doctor stated the woman had become weak and fell headlong into the well where she suffocated. As superstition, legends and tall tales evoke images of restless spirits it is not surprising the 'ghost' of Mary Holohan was recalled over the decades that followed.”

www.facebook.com/100064785664125/photos/930091849160329/

And here she is

civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/death...

beachcomber australia I spent rather too long yesterday searching Waterford papers for something relevant on or around that date in Tramore but drew a blank.

Honey II was 42-26586 assigned to Maj James Poindexter who in spite of the 9 claims visible "only" was officially allowed 7 plus 1 probable.
Poindexter was unfortunately KIFA 3 Jan.1945 in a P-51D 44-14859 after an engine failure.
Stig

Lt Edwin D Reinhardt claimed 5 air-to-ground victories in WW 2
His CO was Ben Rimerman (note just one m)
Stig

This is a P-47G 42-25068 with civil registration N47DG painted in false markings as 42-8486 'Little Demon' flown by Maj Walter Beckham in WW 2
The original 42-8486 was lost on 17 March 1944 after it had.
been transferred to 78FG.
The above aircraft was taken to Britain in 2005-06 as G-CDVX and registered 6 Feb 2006 but went back to the States again in 2013 and is now registered N47FG and owned by Charles Somers, Hillsboro ,somewhere in Oregon
Stig

353FG was based at Raydon between April 1944 and October 1945 when they returned to Camp Kilmer, NJ
Stig

They are near an electric tramway (that narrows it down a little!).

The grin on the fellow at the back !

"Aleksey Nikolayevich Kuropatkin (Russian: Алексе́й Никола́евич Куропа́ткин; March 29, 1848 – January 16, 1925) served as the Russian Imperial Minister of War from January 1898 to February 1904 and as a field commander subsequently. Historians often hold him responsible for major Russian defeats in the Russo-Japanese War of 1904 to 1905, most notably at the Battle of Mukden (1905) and at the Battle of Liaoyang (August-September 1904)."

via - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksey_Kuropatkin

So photo is likely between 1898 and 1904 ?

"In 1898, Kuropatkin was recalled to St. Petersburg and appointed War Minister. His first priority was of improving the command structure of the army, as well as the living conditions of its officers. His reforms included measures to rejuvenate the army by setting age limits for line officers and candidates for higher office, and by increasing the period of secondment of officers from the General Staff to combat units. He attempted to improve the quality of officers by raising the two-year cadet training program to three years, and by opening seven new cadet schools. He also increased the frequency of training maneuvers. ..."

From wiki above - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksey_Kuropatkin#Minister_of_War

beachcomber australia An interesting man!

Could be the Life Guards Uniform?

That's right: "Левой...левой...правой...правой". Legs, in Russian, are feminine and declined differently.

" ... On September 29, 1907, the electric tramway network opened in Saint Petersburg."
See - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Saint_Petersburg#Beginning...

maximtruhin I was trying to get the correct translation for "Left… Left… Left, Right, Left" ?

National Library of Ireland on The Commons Where does "recruits for Kuropatkin" originate? Doesn't sound like any Krazy Kataloguer would know about him.

The Navy wore white, but the band on their cap was black. The Life Guards do look a better match.

or maybe not, colour pics suggest a khaki, and this looks white white.

beachcomber australia I took it straight from the catalogue, before that who knows? Perhaps from a Mason Index?

I think they look like 'First [Officer?] Cadet [recruit?] Corps St Petersburg' on a merry-go-round (fab foto) ...
www.romanovempire.org/media/first-cadet-corps-in-st-peter...

The illustrated weekly The Sphere had a special correspondent embedded with General Kuropatkin's army in the Russo-Japanese war, and there are no end of photos of the General in 1904. Here he is inspecting a soup-making machine (or waiting to be served?) which was in the 5th November 1904 edition. It also appeared in 1954 in a "50 years ago" feature.


The text beneath tells us "The Russian commissariat department has had an immense amount to do in feeding the 250,000 men who are at the front. This picture shows a soup-making apparatus away in the Manchurian hills. It was taken shortly before the battle of Liaoyang"

From an article in the Drogheda Argus & Leinster Journal, 26 November 1904, we have a rare Not a Sudden Death Klaxon:

GENERAL KUROPATKIN'S DAUGHTER
A very curious story is told by the 'New York World' to the effect that General Kuropatkin has a daughter living secretly in an American Convent, although he has mourned her as dead for twelve years, in the belief that she was drowned in the Neva river, St. Petersburg. The authority for the statement is Mother Joseph Hartwell, Superintendent of a religious Order known as the Mission Helpers of the Sacred Heart, whose chief house is in Baltimore. The young recluse is a daughter of General Kuropatkin's first wife, and was received into the Catholic Church in Rome by Father Lambert, S.J., who now resides in Chicago. Miss Kuropatkin and her step-mother could not agree, and the young lady decided to vanish for ever from the Russian capital. It was believed at the time that she was drowned in the river, but according to the story, she made her way to the United States, and entered the convent, where she now lives.

Irish Times - Monday 27 April 1908 and about 35 other papers

Most papers reproduced the Reuters telegram verbatim as above, but three speculated (with a degree of levity) as to why the ban might have been imposed.

The Bystander thought that as Holmes was on the side of law and order, the authorities could only be afraid of the cadets talking like Watson.

The Cork Examiner - "Perhaps the Czar's advisers entertain a fear that the shrewdness and keensightedness displayed by Sherlock Holmes to such a marvellous extent and extraordinary purpose should be regarded as a pattern by the Russian youth, and that thereby things might become known which the Czar’s advisers would wish to be kept veiled in obscurity."

Daily News (London) gave a list of Holmes' objectionable habits which cadets might copy:

- being rude to doctors
- playing the violin in lodgings
- living on cocaine
- staring at people's feet
- and (probably of most concern to St P authorities) carrying concealed firearms

Whatever the reason, they agreed that it would do wonders for the sales of Conan Doyle's books, (outside St Petersburg, at any rate)

John Spooner Carol Maddock Very good and Very good!

I really like the Limerick beachcomber australia wrote for this photo

The Congrats On Explore Limerick

Ms Marguerite thought it a bore
To be jailed in Tullamore.
She'd never have known
Her face would be shown
And admired on Flickr Explore !

National Library of Ireland on The Commons *blushes!* Thanks!

Birmingham Daily Post - Monday 08 May 1905



If they were off to Manchuria then they would be going to fight for Kuropatkin.

However, the previous article in the Birmingham Post reported rumours (which later proved to be true) that Kuropatkin was being recalled to Russia, and being relieved of his command.

John Spooner Could be related.

Here is a Flickr teaser ... I did a Google lens search on the merry-go-round photo mentioned above, and it led me to this site, which has four pages of a series of fascinating photos of Cadets in St Petersburg in 1901 -
humus.livejournal.com/7865571.html
humus.livejournal.com/7876652.html
humus.livejournal.com/7888129.html
humus.livejournal.com/7900259.html

I can't find the Mason image on any page, but the photos are using Flickr for storage. Anyone know how to access the Flickr site where they are parked?
eg the merry-go-round photo (from page 4) - [live.staticflickr.com/65535/51342345525_b5c026d099_h.jpg]

beachcomber australia Very interesting photos indeed.

This is one of my favourite albums, cause I do love bottle trees 🌟

200 Pacific Highway Crows Nest, according to a 1937 Ford ad in The Sun on Trove.

Check out the Indian motorcycle out front!

I am sure there is a dog in there somewhere, but for the life of me, I can't find it!

Bits are still there - Google Satellite not yet 3D - www.google.com/maps/@54.2684187,-8.4647982,97a,35y,22.25h...

Streetview of the entrance - maps.app.goo.gl/3y4rY1XFkBn8XUv88

Michael Collins was there, Account in Michael Collins' hand of his capture and detention in Sligo Gaol.

It held few prisoners by that time and was closed the following year
“The Gaol’s ‘panopticon’ or ‘all-seeing’ design centred around the Governor’s House, from which the cell block could be observed at all times. Both prisoner and guard were underconstant surveillance. The internal design was intended to allow for air circulation around
the buildings and its inmates, in order to avoid the spread of disease and sickness. There was separate accommodation for men, women, criminals, lunatics and children.

www.sligogaol.ie/general

Suck Diesel hanging took place up to 1903.
Public hangings outside the main gate and private hangings in the treadmill yard on the left.
Many earlier guests ‘emigrated’ to Oz

In 1901, the chief was Thomas Johnston, and in 1911, the Governor was William J. Reid

Just out of shot to the right is a strange early 20th century estate called Garravoge Villas centred on a prehistoric stone circle desecrated by a Crucifixion scene. My assessment: cursed

Streetview

Others agree:
During the last century the Catholic Church tried to have the monument removed, but because of local fear (the monument is also known as Garavogue fairy fort) nobody would help remove the tomb. The Catholic Church erected several statues on the roundabout during 1950, the year of the assumption or Marrion year, which now leaves us with this rather odd looking monument.

From an article in the Sligo Champion, 10 March 1956:

In the book I did Penal Servitude, the author D S3222, wrote of Sligo Gaol—"I found it a gloomy structure with long, low, straggling corridors and stone floors. The cell I entered was about 12 feet long and seven feet wide and about 9 feet to the highest part of the vaulted ceiling. This ceiling was slightly arched, the highest part of the arch running along the centre line of the length of the cell. I found all the prison officials (there) treated me as a normal human being". The author served a term in Sligo prison in comparatively recent times—inside the last fifteen or twenty years. Since the war, the prison has been holding as low a daily average of prisoners as eight. In fact, at one time last year, there were only two prisoners in the building—hence the decision of the Minister for Justice, Mr. Everett, to close it down completely.

Moving the Second Reading of the Prisons Bill in Dail Eireann recently, Mr. Everett said it was intended to establish a lock-up in Sligo, separate from the Garda Barracks, by the suitable conversion of two of the existing prison cottages.

The ultimate use to which the building will be put has not been disclosed and for the moment anyway, must remain a matter for conjecture .

And from an article in the Irish Examiner, 1 June 1956:

SLIGO GAOL TO BE CLOSED TO-DAY
Decrease Of Crime In The Area
Six days before they were due for release, two prisoners will walk out of Sligo Gaol this morning (Friday), after receiving a remission of their sentences from the Minister for Justice, Mr. J. Everett. The reason for the remission is that the prison is being closed to-day after being in use for 136 years.
Four other prisoners who were serving sentences will travel to Dublin to-day and will complete their prison terms in Mountjoy.
DECREASE IN CRIME
The decision to close Sligo Gaol was taken by the Government because of the decrease in crime in recent years.
The daily number of prisoners in Sligo for the past ten years has been eight. Replacing the prison, work on the erection of which commenced in 1818 and which cost £38,000 to build, is a small Bridewell.

[Wildly aside but] when and why did today stop being hyphenated to-day?

Carol Maddock Yester-day!

I see a group of young people shading their eyes to look at the plane overhead.

Carol Maddock Likewise, High-street became High Street

Carol Maddock Occurrences of to-day v today in the BNA

Looks even-steven until the 1950s.

beachcomber australia That would be the Governor’s house in the background.
Originally, he was,paid £230/annum, the turnkeys were paid £23/annum

That’s an excellent photo taken by Monkey, you can see every detail of the buildings, and is the one used in every internet article about the gaol.

Philip Chapman-Bell Hi Philip, I have never heard that version, can you sing it for us?

Suck Diesel I agree it is a great photo. I wonder how much control he had over the camera for each shot? For instance, if he had captured the little bit of the wall in the bottom right you could say it would have been perfect.

John Spooner Fascinating!

I'm assuming [at the risk of making an ass of u and me] that the few inmates there were did all the gardening? Or wardens did it to pass the time?

Carol Maddock The inmates always did all the manual labour

Niall McAuley
maps.app.goo.gl/PyWZst6jaAy2jLHd7
Garavogue Villas

Plan of Sligo Gaol, 1875

“In April 1918, Michael Collins found himself a prisoner in Sligo Gaol after delivering a speech in Co. Longford purportedly advocating for arms raids. Despite being in solitary confinement for three weeks, he was permitted visitors and had access to newspapers. Collins kept a diary during this period, documenting his experiences:

“Thursday April 4th. Spent a hopelessly sleepless night. Don’t know why as I was tired enough going to bed. Mattress an awful thing. Reminded me of a sack half filled with sods of turf, except that the lumps of fibre didn’t seem to be as pliable as the sods of turf. Taken out on my own to exercise at 11.30.”

“Saturday April 6th. Have had still another sleepless night. Must try to get this wretched mattress changed. Katie called to see me this morning. Did not recognise me. It strikes me that I cannot have changed as much as all that. Poor thing somewhat upset… I wish to God I wasn’t in jail.”

Collins was eventually released on bail. Interestingly, according to Sligo Gaol Register, he gained a pound in weight while detained”

Michael Collins

irishheritagenews.ie/life-behind-bars-in-sligo-gaol/#goog...

Read the full diary here
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000575484

Hyphens - I wonder if their gradual decline has something to do with the increased use of typewriters, and people naturally looking for shortcuts ? In a similar way we now use texting shortcuts, LOL, WTF, NLI, etc.
The hyphen which sticks in my mind is the old "George-street" for the now "George St". It occurs often in Trove searches, producing much better results.

beachcomber australia Interesting you wonder about typewriters. I had been wondering about changes in typesetting and printing. Great minds thinking similarly, if not quite alike?

Notes from Brian Murphy:
The house was originally built by Nineveh Shaw. The farm was later purchased by James C Bryan, my Great Great Grandfather. He was the first hardware store owner in Marshall. Dad and Uncle George Kile had the house torn down, they found it had walnut floor joists and poplar flooring. I have the original order for the lumber that came from Walnut Prairie. It was purchased from William B Archer. That farm had a loom shed on it where farmers brought flax to make linen material. I have a throw that was made there. The farm is now the Westwood Subdivision.

Hell yeah

Great Great Grandfather Woodley

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Deep and Feeze, The general public in the San Diego community seems to have mixed opinions about Michael Foster and Tom Gildred.

Order: GILDRED, CAROLINA v. FOSTER, MICHAEL

Trellis.Law
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On April 17, 2017 a Order was filed involving a dispute between Gildred, Carolina, and Foster, Michael, for Tort-Other in the District Court of New York County.

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Foster Vs Gildred [Imaged] Court Records

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Dance teacher tried to blackmail me for money: suit

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Apr 18, 2017 — The suit says the Gildreds have filed police

See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Portsmouth
"The Treaty of Portsmouth is a treaty that formally ended the 1904–1905 Russo-Japanese War. It was signed on September 5, 1905,[1] after negotiations from August 6 to 30, at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Kittery, Maine, United States. U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt was instrumental in the negotiations and won the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts, the first ever American recipient."

Words on the heart read, First in War, First in Peace, First in the Hearts of his Countrymen.

Above the heart is a painting of Roosevelt leading his Rough Riders. See newsela.com/view/clg17xtc0002a3b693nylfrxv/?levelId=clg44...
The painting is signed W. G. Read.

Thanks swanq, we'll add some of that information to the catalog record.

It's not readily clear unless you read the catalog record, but this item is on fabric and intended to be used as part of a pillow case.

The man to the left of Roosevelt is Russian Diplomat Sergei Witte, who shortly after became the first Prime Minister of Russia. The man on the right is Japanese diplomat Komura Jutaro.

Those Railway tracks... the very ones were badley damaged by Hurricane Juan In Sept. 2003. Some of the rails were ripped out off the ground and the power poles up the bank were blow down over the rail track making It imposable for trains to pass through. I have pictures of that very same rail line with Bedford Basin In the background. It was a windy night that night... WINDY.

freightor/cargo ship In the background sitting In Bedford Basin... Engine powered, Two mast, bridge In sight. Engines are off... at anchor. May have been part of the Convoy running out of Halifax... war had just ended.

Hi Tom Barlow, thank you for sharing this interesting memory from Hurricane Juan and the additional information!

Fro the DIA: CO. CORK, CORK, SHARMAN CRAWFORD STREET, CRAWFORD MUNICIPAL TECHNICAL INSTITUTE
Date: 1909-12
Nature: New schools on site of Sir John Arnott's old brewery.

Building started Nov 1909. Formally opened by Lord Mayor, 16 Jan 1912. Contractor: Samuel Hill, Cork

"Souvenir of the formal opening /
by the Rt. Hon. the Lord Mayor of Cork (Alderman James Simcox) ... on January 16th, 1912."
See - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000426560

Earliest date 1912 - it looks very new still.

I didn't expect it to be red !


via - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_Institute_of_Technology#CIT_Cr...

Streetview maps.app.goo.gl/HHJ3eVuJ8KPQJAGK6?g_st=ac

I assume Beamish&Crawford are connected?

Niall McAuley beachcomber australia Date amended, and added to map. Thank you, gentle men.

Flickr is sometimes amazing! Via Le Monde1

beachcomber australia Great, but you can't rest on your laurels, or even Mr Sharman Crawford's laurels above. What did A.F. stand for, please.

The NIAH says Commissioned in 1909 by Sharman Crawford, and in the 1911 census I see a Sharman-Crawford, Director of Brewery, one Arthur Frederick

National Library of Ireland on The Commons Dunno!
But he was a yachtie - www.maritimeviews.co.uk/byy-biographies/sharman-crawford-...

💡 And the opening address from 1912 💡- www.cit.ie/crawford100.officialopening.addressbylordmayor

Niall McAuley Thanks. And Arthur Frederick was also a J. P. in the census. I'm assuming Justice of the Peace.

“Crawford Municipal Technical Institute, Cork, 1912 (source: Cork City Library)”

youtu.be/4pDRhvQdTSY

Culture night, last September

kieranmccarthy.ie/?paged=4

From Cork's Vienna Woods Hotel, formerly Lota Lodge which used to be A.F. Sharman Crawford's home:

The house was home to A.F. Sharman Crawford and his family between 1875 and 1946, who fortunately was here to restore the house to its original glory after a fire in the early 20th century destroyed part of the original building. Crawford was managing director of the Beamish and Crawford Brewery (which was founded by his uncle, William Crawford II), and Cork city benefited from his philanthropic disposition, particularly in the arts – indeed, the Crawford family funded the establishment of the Crawford Art Gallery and the Crawford School of Art

And from elsewhere on that hotel site:

He [Arthur Frederick] purchased and donated Arnott’s Brewery premises to the city for the building of a new technical college, which was officially opened as the Sharman Crawford Municipal Technical Institute in 1912. As well as providing the premises, AF contributed to the cost of equipping the college and provided annual scholarships for students there and at the city’s School of Art. The Crawford School of Art moved into the building in 1979; it is now the Crawford College of Art and Design.

Insight into Mr Sharman Crawford's political views perhaps, in his opposition to the purchase of Sean Keating's Men of the South? This is from the Crawford Art Gallery site:

The Chairman [Mr. A. F. Sharman Crawford] said he did not like the subject of the picture. The Lord Mayor said he could understand the Chairman’s view and admire its consistency, although he could not agree with it. The picture recalled a day when Ireland had an army in which the great proportion of the nation had confidence. It was a work of art and to him had the additional value of being a monument to those men who had sacrificed so much, some even their lives, for their country. He would be in favour of purchasing it.

Beamish&Crawford made Protestant stout. Murphys was Catholic. Crawfords donated a lot, creating this school and an Art college, also big donors to UCC or Queens as it was, but fell out with them over the Universities non denominational status (this would have been AFs uncle).

Niall McAuley Would AF's uncle be the Colonel Sharman Crawford I've fallen across today?

The uncle was William Horatio Crawford, not a Colonel to my knowledge.

The Colonel might be Robert Sharman-Crawford, soldier and Ulster MP?

Niall McAuley Ah, I think Robert's the one. Lost his only son in an accident in 1913-ish.

I did a black and white photography course there many moons ago they were just inventing colour at the time.

Sunny Harry That is many moons ago!

Reminded of an old schoolboy joke / riddle ...

Q. What is black and white, and red all over ?
A. A newspaper.

Buildings like this with red brick and white stone details, are called 'blood and bandages' in Australia. Also in Ireland ?

ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq Great name. I hadn't heard it before, but if it's used in Ireland, someone here will know. This is its use in Hong Kong. Apparently it's a very economical building method. Fairly sure on reading about Hong Kong, that we don't have any duck poo green brickwork here.

Carol Maddock
The disputed painting
By the way, it’s now hanging in the Crawford

beachcomber australia One of my late father's favourite jokes.

Alternatively,
A. Sunburnt zebra.

(and according to Burton Observer and Chronicle - Friday 02 February 1979, "a skunk with a nappy rash or a blushing penguin", although in the skunk's unfortunate predicament, it wouldn't be all over, I hope)

And it was considered an old joke in 1882. Eastern Argus and Borough of Hackney Times - Saturday 1 July 1882 in a review of a new translation of the play Michael Strogoff:

The jokes are somewhat old, but if in a new dress Mr. Byron considered that his wit would create amusement, he was perfectly right to avail himself of them; for instance it was a double before he (Mr. Byron) was born, 'the " Times" is black and white and read all over.' Mr. Byron's English correspondent writes with a red pencil, the French correspondent remarks "You always write in red; " " Yes," is the reply, " I always like what I write to be read."

John Spooner Ha ha !

Suck Diesel The other committee members got their way then.

John Spooner :-)

Carol Maddock These were real portraits of the an an IRA flying column, 2nd cork brigade, who during a truce sat for Sean Keating in Dublin.
Also featured on the dust cover of The Atlas of the Irish Revolution

www.worldofbooks.com/en-ie/products/atlas-of-the-irish-re...

What a view it is. Great shot

This one for a motorbike

Suck Diesel Signed by a Captain Walsh, rather than a Commandant Finnigan. And John Frost has the most amazing signature!

It does not say what type of Ford Doctor Dorothy was driving. Betting on a Model T. In July 1923 the first completely Irish made Ford happened in Cork- www.rte.ie/centuryireland/articles/ford-in-cork-completes...

11 April 1923 was a Wednesday ...

“Dorothy Stopford Price (9 September 1890 – 30 January 1954) was an Irish physician who was key to the elimination of childhood tuberculosis in Ireland by introducing the BCG vaccine.”
“ Medical professor Victor Millington Synge stated that "To her, more than anyone else, is due the credit of introducing into Ireland modern ideas of, and preventive measures against tuberculosis. Few of the many thousands of children and young people who have been saved from death or tedious illness by BCG realize what they owe to Dorothy Price.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Price#

In 1901, she is 10. A large and prosperous household.

beachcomber australia Betting that it was a black Ford.

Niall McAuley “Jemmett Stopford died from typhoid fever in 1902, and the medical costs incurred in his illness left the family so badly off that Constance Kennedy had to sell the family home of Wyvern in Bushy Park Road in Terenure, Rathfarnham. The family relocated to 65 Campden Gardens, West Kensington, London”
So, in London by 1911?

Suck Diesel not in the 1911 census

National Library of Ireland on The Commons A black StopFord ?!

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I think this MS Care facility used to be Wyvern

Some things never change. We're still legally required to carry our personal details (incl. address) alongside our car (& house) keys. A minor enough issue - until a handbag is lost or stolen.

Dún Laoghaire Micheál That wasn’t always the case, and still isn’t on the mainland

I had a look through the Dublin Evening Telegraph - Wednesday 11 April 1923, to see what else was going on on that day, and as well as news that "de Valera not captured", tariffs duties on motor cars imported into the UK from Ireland (and vice versa), a new steam dredger for Sligo, and two boys sentenced to 6 stokes of the birch for shoplifting, there was this, on the front page (but tucked in the corner) about a Gaelic Leaguer and his Motor Licence

I wonder how Mr Weir reacted to being referred to as "Mr Weir" throughout the article.

John Spooner Livid, I suggest.

National Library of Ireland on The Commons By the end of the week Mr Roche had backed down and Mr Weir got his way with his form and signature all filled in in Irish only.

John Spooner Does it say what his name was as Gaeilge/in Irish. I've looked it up, and a weir is cora...

[absolute aside] but "Build" intrigues me. Is it purely height? Our Dorothy is Medium at 5' 6". Suck Diesel's John Frost is Medium at 5' 8". Would 6' and above be Large? Below 5' be Small? Or was it more what we'd categorise as build being to do with weight? We need a bigger sample size, excuse the pun.

National Library of Ireland on The Commons None of the newspaper reports of his dispute with Mr Roche use anything but Weir.

On 24 October 1921, when Austin Stack was Minister for Home Affairs, he sent a memo to "the Registrar, District Court South Down, regarding the prosecution of an I.R.A. officer for driving a motor car without a permit"...

John Spooner Thanks for checking.

I didn't know the large contribution that the good doctor played in the elimination of TB in Ireland, all the credit going to Noel Browne instead. Just another example of the low status of women in the new Republic.
I'll bet that there was no Irish version of that permit, is it's a different story today.
Mr Weir would have been within his rights to demand the form in Irish, as well as signing his name in Irish.

It sounds as if the Mullingar version had more Irish than the Cork version. This is what happened when Mr Roche climbed down and Mr Weir got his way.
Freeman's Journal on 16th April:

Mr. Roche informed him that he could have the licence, and he would accept the form filled in in Irish only with Mr. Weir's signature in Irish.

Mr. Weir, when showing the licence to our Mullingar representative, pointed out that a large portion of the printed matter in the form were in the Irish language. He considered his carrying of his point as a gain in favour of the Irish language.

I would read "build" as width, so you could be 6' thin/small build like me at 20, or 6' medium like me now.

Is that a Cumann na mBan pin?

Suck Diesel I believe so, and Dorothy was a member.

“Dorothy’s diary provides a unique insight into how the 1916 Easter Rising was viewed from the perspective of a highly educated Protestant woman: a woman who happened to be staying as a house guest of Sir Matthew Nathan, the Under-Secretary to Ireland, at his home in the Under Secretary’s Lodge in the Phoenix Park, now Áras an Uachtaráin, the home of the President of Ireland”

www.womensmuseumofireland.ie/exhibits/dorothy-stopford-pr...

Dr Dorothy Price: The rebel doctor written out of our history

www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/arid-20265331.html

Carol Maddock Well, how about “sulky bulldog appearance”?

I'm gonna make me a fake Irish drivers license now, that one looks totally normal. Why yes officer, I am 100 years old!

Suck Diesel It is brilliant. I've always loved the snooty tone of "looks rather like a blacksmith coming from work"!

"Robert R. Robinson"

Above comment is correct. It's Stephen Street on old maps. Demolished in the 70s.

Interesting photo and background story. Sorry to have a small quibble - this is not at Garden Island but East Circular Quay (wharf 2?) where the 'Mariposa' was docked. The angle of the Harbour Bridge towers, and the proximity is shown by this GoogleMapsSatellite 3D view which is fun to twiddle with - www.google.com/maps/@-33.8593544,151.2142311,42a,35y,345....
And the shipping records -
trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/229564755?searchTerm=m...
trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/229564203?searchTerm=m...

And a photo of the floating crane 'Titan' lifting the plane off the ship. Sam Hood must have been on the 'Mariposa' - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/237475637?searchTerm=m...

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The fire engines are both built by Tilling-Stevens of Maidstone UK, and might be petrol-electric. (I had never heard of them)
See - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilling-Stevens

Similar in New Zealand 1925 - discoverywall.nz/media/56551

Via D70

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1 June 1923 was a Friday ... fishy dinner !

POOLEWP 3100 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000593669
Help required reading the name on the back of the boat on the right ...

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Well sure lookit! We didn't find out much last time around, so onwards...?

The boat flying the black and white tricolour is most likely one on the many fishing boats and trawlers used by the ‘Coastal and Marine Service’ which had been established a year earlier in 1922. The civil war was coming to an end when the photo was taken.

O Mac Thanks for revisiting this one, after 12 years!

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Indeed: Damage to Collier Transport "Polgowan" while berthing alongside HM Drifter "Young Sid" - Collision on 21st January 1916 at Port Kondia

Niall McAuley Bualadh bos, Middle-aged Niall!

National Library of Ireland on The Commons I saw that.. 12 years and 4380 boiled eggs later... time is ruthless.

O Mac Time's wingèd boiled eggs...

I see the photo is marked as having been taken at Ferrybank, Leinster.
The Quay, Waterford is very much Munster.

"The rural policeman of the commune of Montmartre opening the procession at the time of a feast. …"
according to a slightly different version - www.galerie-roger-viollet.fr/en/photo-the-rural-policeman...

photographer - Albert Harlingue

Correction - the photographer cannot have been Albert Harlingue because of the different angle. Unless he had two trusty tripods ...

ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq Having to have a quiet lie down to cope with your brilliance! General id of the group, and general id of Montmartre. I take my chapeau off to you!

However, that's a few "generals". And date? 😀

National Library of Ireland on The Commons work in progress ... do I get a virtual sticky croissant?

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The other photo says about 1925. Long shadows, maybe winter?

beachcomber australia 1920s works for those in the background, the one not in costume...

Vue sur la rue - maps.app.goo.gl/wtc81y16K4m8bqfAA ??

[Aside] The building on the right (see RueVue above) is said to be where the word 'bistro' was first used by Russian soldiers in 1814 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bistro#Etymology

“The rural policeman of the commune of Montmartre opening the procession at the time of a feast. Paris, about 1925.”

www.montmartre-secret.com/article-cimetiere-montmartre-an...

Bonjour Anatole !

Edit - Ooops! It's not Anatole - he was inducted in 1953

This is the sort of day-to-day incident the actual Garde Champetre of Montmartre had to deal with many years earlier. Leicester Journal - Friday 10 September 1841

Civil & Military Gazette (Lahore) of Thursday 7 August 1924 announced the death at the age of 55 of Jules Depaquit , who was "founder of the fictitious "Free Commune" of Montniartre, which was started after the war by a group of Bohemian artists,"
also
" Depaquit was elected •'mayor," a village constable, or garde champetre, was appointed, and the mairie was installed in a little cafe which promptly became the haunt of the type of Montmartrais for whom Bohemianism is a career rather than a state of mind."

According to the writer, the joke was wearing a little thin.

Liverpool Echo - Friday 15 April 1921 reported on the "Republic's" laws and principles. All sounds fair enough to me.

The 1947 incumbent carrying out the onerous oenological duties of his office in The Sphere - Saturday 11 October 1947

ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq suckindeesel John Spooner Thoroughly enjoying all of this Brouhaha of Bohemianism!

If Jules Depaquit died in 1924, sadly he is not our mayor, but I hold out hope that we can identify "our" mayor...

Wider view of Place du Tertre and Rue Norvins in 1907(?) -

via - www.paris1900.fr/paris-a-z/paris-rive-droite/la-place-du-...

And in the 1920s - www.alamy.com/stock-photo-place-du-tertre-paris-c-1920s-s...

That is a very Joycean looking figure sitting at the table in the background behind the cane wielding man.

Jack Maher I wonder?

"After the war, he briefly returned to Trieste and in 1920 moved to Paris, which was his primary residence until 1940. Ulysses was first published in Paris in 1922, but its publication in the United Kingdom and the United States was prohibited because of its perceived obscenity."

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Joyce

Irish artist Harry Kernoff painted this corner of Paris in 1931.
'La Place du Tertre, Montmartre'. Recently for sale -
www.irishtimes.com/life-style/fine-art-antiques/2023/04/0...

The Government Savings Bank of New South Wales series consists of bound materials, booklets, files, ledgers, and index cards created by the Bank during the course of its activities. The earliest records in this series are depositors’ ledgers from 1871 when the Government Savings Bank was established. The final record in the series was created in 1932, the year in which the final parts of the Bank’s business were handed over as part of its amalgamation with the Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
unreserved.rba.gov.au/nodes/view/44806

To provide a name to a face, this is Ellen Cox pictured in May 1946 for the Edmonton Bulletin. The seamstress, who lived at 10542 133rd Street, is engaged in making a pair of white shorts for the Dutch Marine Corps.

Excellent, thank you for the additional information!

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“During the time of the Stewart landlordship, the area greatly changed. There was no road access to Dunfanaghy from Horn Head and the only way out was to cross the strand which would have been dangerous as the strand that we see now was more of a Bay. They could also cross a small bridge near Errarooey called Trimnaburn part of which still survives. In 1809, the Hornhead Bridge was built. When the storm of 1917 occurred it altered the scenery, not just of Horn Head House but of the entire peninsula. The Marram Grass, which had been growing on the Sand Dunes to protect them, was cut by the landlord and sent to the Front in France to provide bedding for horses. Unfortunately, the sand dunes blew with the strong winds silting up the Sand bar in Dunfanaghy, preventing water from getting out and the New Lake was formed. The Bridge was blocked and the fine surroundings of Horn Head House which was home to Tennis Courts, Terraced Drives, Orchards and a Canal was destroyed by the sands which left the area unrecognizable and from which it never really recovered”

dunfanaghyworkhouse.com/the-stewarts-of-horn-head/

Possible?

www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Dunfana...

Suck Diesel if those are Eleanor and Georgina, we are at 1890-95

At The Peerage - www.thepeerage.com/p27194.htm#i271932

Edit - and the next generation - www.thepeerage.com/p28141.htm#i281408

Lots of stuff here - www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=287187316600750&set=a.11...

The house wasn't in great shape when Mr Niah called by.
www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/40807...

It's now NBHS.

Niall McAuley I’m not too sure, as number of windows don’t match

Our old friend Mr Jaunty is spotted nearby - L_ROY_01334 - which also hints at early 1890s date -
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000324797 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000324796 L_ROY_01333

Niall McAuley Here they are in 1901

www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Dunfana...

Depends on how you count the individual windows

“For they haue sowen the winde, and they shall reape the whirlewinde”

The NIAH says The porch to the front is a later mid-nineteenth century addition. but is clearly wrong.

The porch has 2 windows to the front which may be changing the census numbers

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In November 2014 via Pearse Mac

SUDDEN DEATH KLAXON

Donegal Vindicator - Friday 17 July 1914:

Donegal Lady Drowned at Horn Head,
Mr Edward M‘Fadden, solicitor, Letterkenny, coroner for the district, held an inquest on Wednesday at Horn Head House, Duafanaghy, regarding the cause of death of Miss Eleanor L Stewart whose dead body was found the previous day in Kaneclarin Bay. The decessed lady was daughtor of Mr Chas. F Stewart, D.L, Horn Head House. Head Constable M‘Corry represented the Crown. and Mr Jobn Irvine, J.P, was foreman of the jury, Captain Charles Stewart identified the body as that of his sister Eleanor whom he last saw alive on the previous forenoon before she went bathing.

Belfast News-Letter - Thursday 03 August 1916

MILITARY CROSS FOR COUNTY DONEGAL DOCTOR.
CAPTAIN RICHARD ARTHUR STEWART, M. 8., Royal Army Medical Corps, Specal Reserve, attached 2nd Battalion Border Regiment, has been awarded the Military Cross for conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty The official record states:—

During the attack on an enemy position he went forward and established an aid post in a mine crater, and tended 'many wounded under heavy shell fire. His coolness and disregard of personal safety gave great confidence to those round him.

Captain Stewart is the youngest son of Mr. Chas. F. Stewart, D.L., Horn Head House, Dunfanaghy. and a descendant of Captain Charles Stewart, who fought the Battle of the Boyne under King William

John Spooner Poor Eleanor!

Niall McAuley But if you count the 3 individual windows above the front door then you get 11?

National Library of Ireland on The Commons Does her ghost still reside?

spiritedisle.ie/explore-listing/horn-head-house/

Under restoration, 2021

donegalnews.com/former-ireland-soccer-boss-restoring-land...

The disaster at Horn Head

www.facebook.com/DunfanaghyLife/photos/a.114123740573776/...

Rather late in the day, but DOG!

Niall McAuley Yes, DOG! Was starting to worry about ye all. We put a lot of effort into finding interesting photos with added DOG, you know! 😀

Landed estates

landedestates.ie/property/5080

Gregory Cope - it could be the Sydney control tower. Both Archerfield and Sydney apparently were almost identical (www.airwaysmuseum.com/SY%20Ops-Admin-Twr%20c46%20QEA%20LB...)

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rom The Sun. February 16, 1908, P. 1, middle of Col. 4
- chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030272/1908-02-16/ed-...
"Miss Malone said last night that the police hadn't yet given a final answer, but that she expected to receive word at 11 o'clock this morning. If it is unfavorable the suffragettes will meet at their headquarters at 63 West Fourteenth street at 2 o'clock, and then march to the Manhattan Trades School, 211 East Twenty-third street, to hold a meeting."

Around 1.20 into this film titled Manhattan Trade School for Girls (1911) is a short scene of girls entering a building
- www.filmpreservation.org/preserved-films/screening-room/m...
The entrance they are using could be the entrance at the right of this picture, not the door people are going into.

Thanks swanq, the building to the left, seems to match some other images of the NYC College of Dentistry building at the time, which was also on 23rd St.

See

The man front left has a camera, I think.

Looking at the hi-res image I could see that the buildings in the center of the picture have numbers 870 and 872.
Since the suffragettes and others walked from Union Square up Broadway, I looked for 872 Broadway.

This 2024 Streetview is looking south at 872 Broadway.

A 2017 Streetview is an attempt for better correspondence with the Bain picture.

This looks like the location to me.

Thanks swanq, we'll update the catalog record.

Times Square sure has changed!

For more about the race, see comments with

For more about the race, see comments with

This rang a bell - from 15 years ago - how sad is that !

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The News-Democrat[Providence, RI], February 17, 1908, Page 2, middle of Col. 4
- chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn91070633/1908-02-17/ed-...

"SUFFRAGETTES MARCH IN NEW YORK CITY
New York, Feb, 17.— A suffragette demonstration, which partook of the nature of a disorganized procession through the city's streets and a mass meeting, of which the suffragettes and Socialists gave voice for nearly five hours to their doctrines and beliefs, took place yesterday.
The suffragettes had been informed by the police that a parade would not be permitted.
With due regard to the injunction the paraders and members of the Progressjve Women's Suffrage union gathered at their headquarters on Fourteenth street and began the march, without formation, to Union square, and thence to the meeting hall on Twenty-third street, The thin line of suffragettes was added to by curiosity seekers.
The police estimated that over 200 persons were in the march. Announcements were distributed from a reviewing stand in Union square by Miss Maud Malone, one of the leaders of the suffragettes, that inasmuch as a parade was not permitted a mass meeting would be held.
The strange procession then moved up Broadway to the meeting hall where for nearly five hours, speech-making was held. Several men made addresses in the interest of women's suffrage."

From The Sun. February 16, 1908, P. 1, middle of Col. 4
- chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030272/1908-02-16/ed-...
"Miss Malone said last night that the police hadn't yet given a final answer, but that she expected to receive word at 11 o'clock this morning. If it is unfavorable the suffragettes will meet at their headquarters at 63 West Fourteenth street at 2 o'clock, and then march to the Manhattan Trades School, 211 East Twenty-third street, to hold a meeting."

Around 1.20 into this film titled Manhattan Trade School for Girls (1911) is a short scene of girls entering a building
- www.filmpreservation.org/preserved-films/screening-room/m...
The entrance they are using could be the entrance at the right of this picture, not the door people are going into.

It looks as though the location is now occupied by the School of Visual Arts, with official address of 209 East 23rd Street.
The SVA was founded in 1947 and moved to this location in 1960,
See sva.edu/about/about-sva/history

This 2012 Streetview is looking up to reveal that there is a new facade at street level, but the building is probably the same as in 1908.

quite likely this guy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Burns_(Canadian_boxer)

The Spokane Press, January 04, 1908, P. 3, bottom of Col. 1.
- chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn88085947/1908-01-04/ed-...
"New world's champion heavyweight In action as 'Tommy Burns,' and Noah Brusso as his French Canadian friends know him."

The Sun.February 16, 1908, P. 1, middle of Col. 4
- chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030272/1908-02-16/ed-...
"Miss Malone said last night that the police hadn't yet given a final answer, but that she expected to receive word at 11 o'clock this morning. If it is unfavorable the suffragettes will meet at their headquarters at 63 West Fourteenth street at 2 o'clock, and then march to the Manhattan Trades School, 211 East Twenty-third street, to hold a meeting."

This room could be the same as seen at about 2.30 into this film titled Manhattan Trade School for Girls (1911).
- www.filmpreservation.org/preserved-films/screening-room/m...

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I never understodd the whole 'Schmiss' thing!
What an interesting picture.

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The Zust is the Italian entry and the Thomas is the US entry n the race. Those cars reached Utica about 1pm on Feb. 14.

See Arizona republican., February 15, 1908, Page 2, near bottom of Col. 2
- chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84020558/1908-02-15/ed-...

They kept going north that day, according to
Rock Island Argus., February 15, 1908, P. 1, Near top of Col.2.
chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn92053934/1908-02-15/ed-...

So this photo was taken on Feb 15th 1908

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