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Thinking Innisfallen. There are several other stereo pairs there, but I can't find a match for the boathouse. See the distant hills here - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000564217

Hmmm ...
There is a substantial "Boat House" marked on the 25" map, west of Ross Castle, on Ross Island. About here on the GoogleMapsSatellite which shows nothing - maps.app.goo.gl/kiLUkFwL4qNjBjQM7

beachcomber australia Link not working too well.

National Library of Ireland on The Commons Thanks, fixed above. Nothing to see except trees and rocks. But if you twiddle round into 3D the shape of the hills is similar and the sun is in the right place when looking sout-west.

I wonder is that the now-lost boathouse just downriver from Lord Brandon's cottage?

Here's a Streetview from the western shore of the Upper Lake, looking west - note the distinctive 'bump' to the left of the cloud-covered mountains - it has a steep step at right and a uniform slope at left, just like the bump to the left of the taller mountains in our boathouse photo.

maps.app.goo.gl/iWWPW7F6Dh9ros1a8

Less than 100m NW of the point where Peng Shi took that panoramic image in 2023 is the site of a boathouse which lies 290m SW of Lord Brandon's Cottage - the boathouse is shown on the Ordnance Survey 6" map (1st edition), but it's just marked as a Quay on the last edition. The boathouse seems to be about 18m long on the first edition map, so it could be the one in the photo.

Rory Sherlock Could be

It has the same pile of rocks in the middle distance on the left. Where's the boathouse - in the copse behind the streetview? Maybe that pool before the copse?

the 25" is missing this sheet, so it's no help.

There seems to be no convenient streetview / riverview, so here is Google Maps 3D. I think Mr O'Connor was near that footbridge ...
www.google.com/maps/@51.8960997,-8.473747,33a,35y,243.38h...

Gorgeous!

The view from the bridge in the photo. I wonder what the footbridge looked like back then.

maps.app.goo.gl/5r1tEUWQMpzd5LD26?g_st=ac

That row of shops with named proprietors may help date it, on Sullivan's Quay. No D. Foley or Foley Bootmaker in the 1921 Guy's. No John Shea either, either. Nor in 1935.

Ah, they are all in the 1897.

Dominick Foley, Bootmaker
Michael McCarthy, Shopkr
John Shea, Shopkeeper
J Anderson, Shopkeeper

By 1903, Shea is gone and #28 is Edward Phillon

So right at the start of the date range.

Back in 1891, McCarthy, Shea and Anderson are all here, but Foley's is Jordan J, Hairdresser

Jordan is still there in 1893.

No idea if the OCO pics are in any way grouped datewise, but we saw the next one in the sequence here before, OCO 327, of Jammet's in Dublin, opened 1901.

View from the Nano Nagle Bridge, close to where our photo was taken

suckindeesel 17 years ago! The row of shops is a Christian Brothers school - I think I saw the start of that in Guy's

26-30 is a CB school in 1935

and in 1921, 1910, 1907

Our friends are here in 1903.

Should've looked in the NIAH first: Detached ten-bay (two-bay deep) two-storey national school, built 1905

Washington Evening Star, May 11, 1923, page 2

Two Couples Wed While Dancing On Houseboat

Two couples took the solemn vows of marriage at a ceremony performed by Judge Robert E. Mattingly of the Munlclpal Court in a houseboat anchored off the Virginia end of the Highway bridge last night.
The houseboat has been the scene of a so-called marathon dance contest and the couples wed were competing in the contest. Before a curious throng, with lights lowered, the musicians playing a wedding march Instead of jazz, the couples shuffled up to the judge and kept their feet moving while they took the vows.
The contracting parties were Fred R Newman, twenty-one years old, and Miss Evelyn King, twenty years old, the first couple married, and Herbert J. Gately, twenty-three years old, and Miss Thelma Reese, twenty years old. They were attired In their dancing clothes and dancing slippers.
During the day yesterday the two couples drove to the marriage license clerk's office, in the Supreme Court of the District building, where they secured their licenses to marry. The truck in which they rode was placarded, announcing the purpose of the trip.

The Washington Times added . . .

They have been dancing in the marathon dance at the south end of the highway bridge, and it was yesterday afternoon, after seventy-two hours shuffling, that they concluded that they would like to dance together for the rest of their lives.
A big truck was brought into play, and the shifty-footed couples waltzed to the courthouse, where marriage licenses were obtained.
Toddling back into the truck, they were returned to the houseboat, where they had been dancing, continuing their gyrations until 10 o’clock last night, when Judge Mattingly one-stepped onto the scene.

During Prohibition there were many large boats, barges, houseboats etc moored on the Virginia side of the Potomac. Due to the odd boundary between Maryland (and DC) and Virginia (the River lies entirely in MD/DC) even though the boats were tied to the shore in VA, the rules of DC were in force. And because they were tied across the river from the District any approaching police or prohibition agents could be seen in plenty of time to hide any incriminating evidence. The "houseboats" on the VA side of the Potomac were some of the most notorious speakeasies of the time.

My guess is this photo was taken at the District Building where the dancers were getting their licenses and the man at the table is the clerk, and not the Judge.

Seuss.. I really like your suggestions. The only problem I have is that I looked up when nearby negatives were taken and they are from 1925. I suppose it is possible one got mixed up somehow but I would want a photo of the dancers or the judge for comparison.

Seuss., you had it right! A staff member in our division found that we had another photo of the same scene taken by National Photo Company, www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2016834823/. The negative only has the caption "Marathon Dancers" but we also have albums of some of National Photo Company's photos, so I looked in there and it has a much fuller caption:

"Fred Newman and Herbert Gately, shuffled their partners, Evelyn King and Thelma Reese, to the marriage license Bureau at City Hall today. They will be married tonight while competing in a marathon dance in Wash. When the picture was made they were on their 66th hour. All are from Balto. At the table is Col. Kroll, District Marriage License Clerk. Gately recently established a world's record of 167 hours in Balto." 5/10/23

We'll put that caption in both records and we'll also put the correct date in the record for this photo.

And a Stereo Pair, STP_1836 . -
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000565152

Looks like same day, same tripod.

trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/128221803 - the Sunday Times, 19th November, 1922...pic appears here...

I suspect this pic of Bradfield, etc was taken on 24th September, 1930, when the first hanger ('Hanger 0') was to be lifted into position...however a wild weather event passed thru Sydney that day, so the operation was held over to the 25th...

Looks to be the same party...probably the same day

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edna_May

Lil cuties

trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/246729820 - they're reading the Sydney Daily Telegraph, 23rd March, 1936...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Tack_Sam

On the positive side it gave good employment to Abbeyside/ Dungarvan area from 1970 to 1982 which was desperately needed at that time. It also kept the railway line open which is now The Waterford Green Way. The Railway Bridge ( known as The Red Iron ) across the River Suir from Kilkenny to Waterford was also in use. At one stage it was the longest bridge in Ireland, closed now with the centre span removed.
Dungarvan Bay is one of the most beautiful spots in Ireland, especially view from The Pike at Ballinalira on the N25. Unfortunately when in production the Quigley factory was a real blight on a beautiful landscape. I delivered a container from Bell Lines to Ballinacourty when the factory was open and I commented to one of the workers as to how much the factory destroyed the view and I was quickly told , You can not eat scenery.

trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/63615005 - PS...the Illustrated Sydney News, 10th May, 1890...the various match-ups seen in this Illustrated Sydney News pic of the officers taken on HMS Opal was the key to solving this mystery...

Irish Time 13 November 1952

"ACADEMY APPOINTMENT FOR ST. ULTAN'S DOCTOR

DR.JOHN ST. PATRICK COWELL, medical director of the National B.C.G. Committee, who is attached to St. Ultan's Hospital, Dublin has been appointed as executive secretary of the Royal Irish Academy. It is not yet known when he will take up his new post. He has been medical director of the National B.C.G. Committee since 1949.

Dr. Cowell, who is 50, was born in Manchester and was educated at Summerhill College, Sligo, and at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland. From 1942 until the following year, he was house surgeon and house physician at the Meath Hospital, Dublin, and in 1943 went to England, where he served as assistant tuberculosis officer with Northampton Borough Council. In 1944, he was assistant medical officer at Grove Park Hospital, London. In the following year went to Gloucestershire, where he served as County Tuberculosis Officer until 1946. In that year, he
returned to Dublin and studied for a diploma in Public Health at University College, Dublin, which he received in 1947. In 1947, he joined Dublin County Council as Tuberculosis Medical
Officer. and remained in that position until 1949, when he took up his present appointment. He has written a number of articles in medical journals dealing with BCG vaccine.
He is a member of the Irish Tuberculosis Society and of the Royal Academy of Medicine in Ireland."

I have zero idea about what is going on, but there are helpful notes on the previous page (image 14) ...

Phot. 8
The bacilli mass has now been transferred into a bottle with specially treated stainless steel balls, made by Swedish Ball-bearing Works.

Phot. 9
Homogenisation is achieved in two steps. The bottle is first shaken by hand.

Availability in Ireland: As of April 2015, the BCG vaccine is no longer part of the National Primary Childhood Vaccine Schedule in Ireland and the Health Service Executive (HSE) does not have a general BCG vaccination programme or stock available. In Ireland, the vaccine is only recommended for babies at higher risk of getting TB and must be sourced privately.

Sligo Champion 25 Aug 1989

"LAUNCH OF NEW BOOK ON SLIGO
JOHN COWELL, Author of Sligo - Land of Yeat's Desire

A NEW book on Sligo, entitled "Sligo, Land of Yeats' Desire" will be officially launched tonight by County Manager, Mr. Paul Byrne, at a special ceremony in Sligo Town Hall. Written by John Cowell, who grew up in Sligo and is a former pupil of Summerhill College, the book charts Sligo's history and deals extensively with the county's literature, folklore and landscape.
[. . .]

Although born in England, John Cowell comes from a County Sligo family. His father, a doctor, returned from London with his English wife and practiced at Skreen, County Sligo until his death. John Cowell attended the local national school and later went to Summerhill College. Following his father's profession, he specialised in chest diseases. When he became Medical Director of the national BCG campaign against tuberculosis, he chose County Sligo for the pilot scheme.
[...]

And let's not forget Kathleen Lynn and Dorothy Stopford-Price, without whom this photo, and that research would not have been possible...

Despite her high political profile, Lynn is remembered, primarily, for her work in St Ultan's Hospital for Infants on Charlemont St., which she established in 1919 with her confidante, Madeleine ffrench-Mullen. Its philosophy was to provide much-needed facilities, both medical and educational, for impoverished infants and their mothers.
...
At St Ultan's, Lynn fostered international research on tuberculosis eradication. In 1937, through the efforts of her colleague Dorothy Stopford-Price (qv), the hospital introduced BCG (Bacillus Calmette-Guerin) inoculation, which prevented TB. She also encouraged links with US and continental medical practitioners. (Dictionary of Irish Biography)

Plus, now I know what BCG stands for!

Apparently we have a Dr. John Cowell Collection here at Library Towers.

Do you remember as a child when every bare left arm carried that scar?
Although we think TB has gone away, at least in Ireland, I recall one colleague who vanished for a time being treated for TB, and we were all offered a TB test at work upon his return

beachcomber australia Presumably those bearings were provided by SKF

www.skf.com/group/products/bearings

Suck Diesel I vaguely remember a pre-test before a vaccine. According to google's AI overview

A pre-test for the BCG vaccine is a Mantoux skin test, which checks if you have a current or past tuberculosis (TB) infection. A small amount of TB protein is injected into your forearm, and a healthcare professional checks for a reaction 48–72 hours later. If there is no reaction, you can receive the BCG vaccine; if there is a reaction, the vaccine is not needed, and you will be referred for further assessment.

I do remember that was the only one in my year at school to react to the pre-test, so I didn't get the BCG jab. My sister says we siblings had already been jabbed, as an uncle had had TB, but I don't remember that.

We need to send this to the theosophical society at once!

It pays off to zoom in all the way and then pan around.

Still 'hitched' in 2014, via MikeofDorset

Edit - photo used in the Wiki article - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballymore_Castle

The NIAH says Detached three-bay two-storey country house, built c.1810, facing north, having bowed entrance bay, two-bay side elevations, slightly recessed single-bay single-storey addition to east end, and multiple-bay two- and three-storey additions to rear elevation, built onto front of four-storey tower house of c.1585, and makes a passing reference to the "Seymour mausoleum" nearby.

On the record for the Mausoleum, it says The family mausoleum of the Seymours, who acquired Ballymore Castle and its lands around 1700 and remained there until the early twentieth century, so the Seymours probably owned the castle at the time of this pic.

There seems to be several Ballymore Castles. I don't think this is today's Galway one -
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000622471 (1823)

Census for 1901 shows a house belonging to a WG Seymour in the townland, but it is vacant.

I'm not sure Walter Gordon Seymour took the census of 1901 entirely seriously. He records his religion as Mahomedan, and under Specified Illnesses wrote "fairly sane".

In 1911, Thomas Dunbar Seymour is in residence.

On Walter Gordon's memorial in St. Nicholas' Collegiate Church...

DIED 16™ MAY 1925 HE WAS ADMIRED FOR HIS ABILITY AND INTEGRITY IN THE PERFORMANCE OF HIS PUBLIC DUTIES, AND IN HIS PRIVATE LIFE WAS BELOVED FOR HIS GOOD FELLOWSHIP.

A page including a pic of Lieutenant Thomas Patrick Dunbar Seymour, born at the castle:

After the war Seymour returned to his family home at Ballymore Castle. On 2 April 1921 he married Florence Anne Fetherstonhaugh Thompson in Christ Church, Dublin. He died at Ballymore on 12 March 1946.

trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/236519630/25585758 - a photoshopped version of this pic appeared in the Labor Daily on 10th May, 1935 (see pic on 2nd page of link)...per the accompanying caption, this is Madam Wang Feng, wife of the recently appointed Chinese Consul at Wellington, New Zealand ...she was evidently passing thru Sydney en route to NZ to join her husband...the various shipping intelligence items indicate she arrived in Sydney (from Hong Kong) on the KPM liner S.S. Nieuw Zeeland on 6th May...then departed Sydney for NZ on the R.M.S. Maunganui, on 9th May...

trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230253348 - the Sun, 7th May, 1935...the Sun had this pic...taken on her arrival in Sydney...

trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/182434082 - the Brisbane Daily Telegraph, 4th May, 1935...the Brisbane Daily Telegraph's reporter 'Nancy Lee' interviewed her when she passed thru Brisbane the previous week...she evidently held a Bachelor of Commerce Degree from Nankai University, in Tianjin, and prior to her marriage had worked as an accountant...she'd spent the previous 2 years with her husband at Johannesburg...

trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206259841 - the Brisbane Truth, 5th May, 1935...another interview here...

trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/246499635 - the Daily Telegraph, 22nd February, 1935...pic of her husband here...

trove.nla.gov.au/work/228225492 - just for interest, a while ago I came across this pic on Trove which features the International Hotel at Bray...I haven't a clue what the cyclists are up to...local knowledge required...