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The DIA puts construction of the building at 1883-85

Lowson were there in 1890. No Wilson, Carswell, or Photo shop.

Lowson gone by 1901, Calvert stockbroking here.

But McCulloch is in Queen's buildings both dates, and I see Charles & Russell photographers in 1901.

I think we are between 1890 and 1901.

The building on the left looks interesting.
I hope somebody can identify it?

philipgmayer The fancy one with the railings? That's the Reform Club itself, I think.

Dissolution of partnership clearance sale of Wilson & Carswell advertised first in the Ulster Echo on 3rd February 1881, and the latest I can see is in the Portadown News on 29th May 1886.

Breaking up is hard to do.

Of the Reform club building, the DIA says: 1883-5
Nature: M & T winners of competition. 3-storey red sandstone building with corner entrance with turret above. Work supervised by W.H. Lynn. Informally opened Jan 1885. Builder: James Henry. Cost: £12,000.

Clearly the building with the turret.

No. 2 next door is described as:
Name: BARRE, WILLIAM JOSEPH
Building: CO. ANTRIM, BELFAST, ROYAL AVENUE, NO. 002 (PROVINCIAL BANK)
Date: 1864-69
Nature :New bank in 'that peculiar adaptation of Venetian Gothic that this architect has made his own'. Completed by Turner & Williamson after WJB's death.. Builder: Henry Fulton. Stonecarving: Mr Barnes.

which sounds like the building to the left.

Google maps suggests these are still #2 and #4 Royal Avenue today.

John Spooner 1886 is consistent with the Stockbroker names...

Carol Maddock Niall McAuley
Thank you, both.
One of those photos in Carol's link, shows an empty space next to the Reform Club.
My first thought was that it was a bank, as I've researched all of Liverpool's banks.
www.flickr.com/photos/44435674@N00/albums/72157621881826924/

One news article suggests he may be a former Director of Product Engineering at Rohr. It's not clear the article is about this person.

Mr. Manion started at Rohr in 1968. He was promoted to Customer Support, Director, Spares Sales and Distribution about the time this photo was taken.

Dave Watson = Davis R. Watson?

Dave Watson = Davis R. Watson?

Dave Watson = Davis R. Watson?

Dave Watson = Davis R. Watson?

Dave Watson = Davis R. Watson?

Mr. Bucur was previously Vice President of Commercial Business. He started with Rohr in 1966, newspapers claim.

Mr. Bucur replaced the late Peter Colston. I can't find a series of photos of Mr. Colston that was seen earlier...

Newspaper reports assert Mr. Goings had been General Manager of the McDonnell Douglas Corporation plant at Torrance, California before Rohr welcomed him aboard.

Believed to be: Elaine K. Mills, (1938-2026).
A native of Chula Vista, she worked 40 years at Rohr.
Within this collection, she may be untagged in some Rohr News employee group photos documenting National Managers Association activities. If you find any, please tag them.

Somewhat of a mystery person.
New York Times, March 1, 1908, Page 6
www.nytimes.com/1908/03/01/archives/baroness-orendorff-is...
"BARONESS ORENDORFF IS IN SECLUSION; Not "at Home" in Washington Since Glacia Calla Case Became Public. SINGER CALLED HER AUNT Mrs. G.W. Albright Tells of Their Receptions in Paris -- Wealthy New Yorker Among the Visitors."

See her, perhaps from the same occasion.
The News-Democrat (Providence, R.I.), March 4, 1908, page 1
www.loc.gov/resource/sn91070633/1908-03-04/ed-1/?sp=1&...

"This is a picture of the "Baroness Von Orendorf," Sponsor
for Glacia Calla, whose name has been brought prominently forward in connection with the Roy-Calla murder case. The baroness is well known in Washington and Paris, and is a woman of mystery."

Believed to be:
Captain Ralph Neiger, USN (ret) (1928-2022)
Burial: Miramar National Cemetery
Plot: SECTION L ROW 1 SITE 79

He was promoted to President in August of 1995.

John Hugo 'Jack' Wulff (1932-2017).
Born: Madison, South Dakota.
History: 33 years at Rohr.
Obituary says he retired as Director of Finance.

Is believed to have been prompted to an unknown position in 1991.
History: joined Rohr in 1979.
BS Management Science, Georgia Institute of Technology 👋

There was a protest on October 17th 1909 which fits the bill. Fermanagh Herald - Saturday 23 October 1909:

A demonstration organised by the British Social Democratic Federation, in co-operation with the Labour Party, Fabian Society, and other organisations, was held in Trafalgar Square, London, on Sunday afternoon, to protest against the execution of Senor Ferrer, and was attended by between nine thousand and ten thousand people.

John Spooner That's some crowd. Will the newspapers be our friend in uncovering Francisco Ferrer's alleged wrongdoing?

Date fairly securely established as 17 October 1909 then, thank you, and the postcard was sent on 10 September 1910.

Methinks the protest was a bit late.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Ferrer

Francisco Ferrer was a Spanish radical freethinker, anarchist, and educationist behind a network of secular, private, libertarian schools in and around Barcelona. His execution, following a revolt in Barcelona, propelled Ferrer into martyrdom and grew an international movement of radicals and libertarians, who established schools in his model and promoted his schooling approach.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Ferrer

The protest in Trafalgar Square was mild in comparison with what went on in Italy. It was "in the throes of a general strike" in protest against the "inquisitorial Spanish government", the Spanish consuls in Milan, Carrara and Florence resigned, and "immense bodies of soldiery" were guarding the Vatican day and night. (Daily Chronicle).,

It seems that the 'secular' aspect of Ferrer's teachings were seen as a threat to certain parts of the Spanish establishment.

Mike Grimes I don't think he would have been wildly popular with Irish authorities of the time either!

Suck Diesel Thank you, Mr Diesel.

John Spooner Mike Grimes Suck Diesel I've had a squiz at photos of Keir Hardie. Are we happy enough that he's the man Xed on the postcard? I am.

National Library of Ireland on The Commons I'd say it's him alright.

Mr. Todd became CEO in 1982 according to one newspaper article. At one point he served on the Board.

Many of these Rohr Industries studio photos seem to have a color and a black-and-white version. It looks like they shot these with a Hasselblad and two magazines. We know the Photo Lab had a Hasselblad.

F O U N D !

Flickr is sometimes amazing! michael has stitched together a couple of 1854 (!) photographs which I am 90% sure is the same corner nearly 50 years earlier. Rooflines and other details are different, but there are enough similarities to say this Is the 'Place Rogier' or the earlier 'Place Cologne' in Brussels.

"Place Rogier in 1854
Cologne Square (now Place Rogier) in Brussels, I have combined two photographs by Louis-Pierre-Théophile Dubois de Nehaut, which allows us to see what Place Rogier looked like in 1854."
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikerinos/54414597749/in/dateposted/]

The original 1854 photo's exact location is the subject of discussion (in French) here - www.facebook.com/groups/452221515209318/posts/25689459902...

Can anyone find it on Google Maps ?

PlaceRogierView - maps.app.goo.gl/XyTVyCR3T1nND64NA

The large Palace Hotel was begun in 1908, shortly after the Dillon's visit. An old photo shows the building on the right almost matching the Dillon photo ...

See - authenticbrussels.be/opening-of-the-doubletree-by-hilton-...

Ooops, wrong again! Those attic windows of the house on the right in the photo above are there in the 1854 photo, but not in the Dillon photo. ie the Dillon photo is not Place Rogier. Must be somewhere nearby ...

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Mr. Chapman was CFO as of 1997. I'm unsure of how he served Rohr in 1994 when this photo was taken.

A very nice Dog, a Labrador? I am not sure, then many breeds looked a lot different over 100 years ago. One thing for sure it does look a menace!

Google Lens found Helena Molony ...
"Helena Molony walking her dog in the 1950s. In her later years she lived in relative poverty, relying on friends for support and accommodation. (M.J. Neary)"

See - historyireland.com/helena-molony-a-revolutionary-life/

" ... From the 1930s, Molony was in a relationship with doctor Eveleen O'Brien, with whom she lived until her 1967 death.[21][22]
She retired from public life in 1946, but continued to work for women's labour rights; she died in Dublin on 29 January 1967 following a stroke.[23] Molony is buried in the republican plot at Glasnevin Cemetery."

Via - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Molony
See also - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eveleen_O%27Brien

beachcomber australia Far be it from me to contradict History Ireland, but I think material in our Sheehy Skeffington collections all end around 1940. So not sure about 1950s. Always happy however to sit corrected if any evidence emerges...

National Library of Ireland on The Commons Yes, I also think she looks younger is today's photo than the Wikipedia one, which says "circa 1940s". And the hat and coat look circa 1920s -ish, maybe, possibly.

What is written on the reverse, "Ewes" ? It could be the name of the dog.

beachcomber australia So proud of my ancient eyesight. I thought Emer. And behold: "Adopting the pseudonym ‘Emer’ for Inghinidhe work (by which name she was called within Gonne's circle of republican women the rest of her life), in 1907 she became the organisation's secretary." (From her excellent life in the Dictionary of Irish Biography)

[aside: sorry not to have the dog's name though]

National Library of Ireland on The Commons Aha! How pleasing. And there is a literary reference - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emer#Literature

ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq Save me! I'm sliding down a Central Statistics Office rabbit hole...

"In 2025, Emer was ranked 608 of all baby girls recorded in Ireland.

In total, 5 baby girls were recorded with the name Emer in this year."

You can check popularity by year, rise and decline of names etc.

That grey face looks like a sweet ol’ elder doggo.

Presumably
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cipriano_Castro
"José Cipriano Castro Ruiz (12 October 1858 – 4 December 1924) was a Venezuelan politician and officer of the military who served as president from 1899 to 1908. He was the first man from the Venezuelan Andes to rule the country, and was the first of four military strongmen from the Andean state of Táchira to rule the country over the next 46 years."

Thanks swanq, I believe this is him, although I doubt some of the other dates of photos that appear online (not that people lied, just that an earlier photo was published later). We'll update the catalog record.

George Breckenridge Davis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_B._Davis
"George Breckenridge Davis (February 13, 1847 – December 16, 1914) was the tenth Judge Advocate General of the United States Army."
"General Davis guided his department through the Spanish–American War, and handled the investigation and trial of the notorious cases arising out of that war. He also represented the United States as delegate plenipotentiary to the Geneva Conventions of 1903 and 1906, and the Hague Convention of 1907. On February 14, 1911, General Davis retired with a promotion to major general."

Thanks swanq, we'll update his catalog record.

It grew a 'nose' over the front door. I wonder when?
StationHotelView - maps.app.goo.gl/vV5t3NurXAnZGpjv7

There is a longer shot - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000327406 - with a smart carriage from the Imperial Hotel.

Reminds of all the stories back in the day of planes landing at Shannon Airport for refuelling and then being held because of fog. Limerick didn't have enough hotels so people could get sent out to Kilkee. Including Che Guevara! kilkee.clareheritage.org/people/che-guevara-in-kilkee

" ... By the end of the nineteenth century, it became necessary to replace the original Penrose Quay terminus with a larger station, Kent Station, which opened on 2 February 1893. ..."
[Aside] - "The station served as a filming location for the 1979 movie The First Great Train Robbery starring Seán Connery, Donald Sutherland and Lesley-Anne Down."

via - www.ouririshheritage.org/content/knowyour5k/kent-station-2

This 2017 GoogleMaps screen grab is remarkably close to Mr French / Lawrence's point of view, going by the chimney positions relative to each other -
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/55320676852/in/dateposted/]

robh London Nice story Robert.

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National Library of Ireland on The Commons I am having no luck finding when the 'nose' was added. Someone knows !! 👃

Nearby in the catalogue, no help with the date:

SANDERS, Jared Young
1869 – 1944
bioguide.congress.gov/search/bio/S000035
"SANDERS, Jared Young, (father of Jared Young Sanders, Jr.), a Representative from Louisiana; born near Morgan City, St. Mary Parish, La., January 29, 1869; attended the public schools; was graduated from the law department of Tulane University, New Orleans, La., in 1893; was admitted to the bar the same year and commenced practice in New Orleans; elected as an antilottery member of the State house of representatives in 1892 and served until 1904, being elected speaker in 1900; member of the State constitutional convention in 1898; Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana 1904-1908; Governor 1908-1912; elected to the United States Senate July 6, 1910, to fill the vacancy caused by the death of Samuel D. McEnery, but did not qualify, preferring to finish term as Governor; elected as a Democrat to the Sixty-fifth and Sixty-sixth Congresses (March 4, 1917-March 3, 1921); was not a candidate for renomination in 1920; member of the State constitutional convention in 1921; resumed the practice of law; unsuccessful candidate for the Democratic nomination for United States Senator in 1920 and 1926; died in Baton Rouge, La., March 23, 1944; interment in Franklin Cemetery, Franklin, La."

swanq, thanks, we'll update his catalog record.

I think this must be
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_X
"Christian X (Danish: Christian Carl Frederik Albert Alexander Vilhelm; 26 September 1870 – 20 April 1947) was King of Denmark from 1912 until his death in 1947, and the only King of Iceland as Kristján X, holding the title as a result of the personal union between Denmark and independent Iceland between 1918 and 1944."
"On 29 January 1906, King Christian IX died, and Christian's father ascended the throne as King Frederick VIII. Christian himself became crown prince."

Thanks swanq, we'll update the catalog record.

I'll also ask that we fix the misspelling of portrait in the title.

See

Thanks swanq, we'll update both of the catalog records.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiram_M._Chittenden
"Hiram Martin Chittenden (October 25, 1858 – October 9, 1917) was an American engineer and historian. A graduate of West Point, he was the Seattle district engineer for the Army Corps of Engineers from 1906 to 1908). Chittenden was one of the first three elected Port Commissioners at the Port of Seattle. He also helped found the Pacific Coast Association of Port Authorities, later known as the Association of Pacific Ports in 1913. The Hiram M. Chittenden Locks in Seattle are named in his honor.

As a historian he was noted for his work on the American West, especially the fur trade. Historian Gordon B. Dodds stated,
His works on the Yellowstone, the fur trade, and on Missouri River steamboating were long recognized as definitive....His style was formal, clear, and undramatic. His works contain a mass of detail. He was typical of the Progressive era of American history in his strong belief in progress and in 'the divine mission of the Anglo-Saxon'"

My kind of fellow, the kind who would not have apologized for being Anglo.

Thanks swanq, we'll update the catalog record.

Add a tag or comment with the name of this person if you can: [https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/55067950317/]

Never walk under a suspended load. Aerotrain empty weight: 46,000 pounds. About 1 Muni bus.

The guy on the left may be BART board member Stanley Grydyk.

Br'er Bear says, "Watch it, buster!"

Four dollars??

The front, orange car in the number one lane is an Opel GT. It was a two-seater with a small engine. There was an extra handle that looked sort of like a parking brake handle. When you pulled it the headlamps flipped up. [https://www.flickr.com/photos/82046831@N00/5947645723/]

Near Smith Av. across from Chula Vista Shopping Center.

Can anyone confirm this is CA-SND Crash 28? [https://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisk48/6307445021/]

Not rigid enough?

This looks more like Museum of Natural History than the Museum of Us?

"Hang in there baby," posters were popular in 1974.

I think the tower was on top of the terminal building in those days. Very different RADARs in 1974. Look at the oil drippings on the tarmac from a four-engined aircraft.

I think the bump in the skyline to the right of the window frame is Mount Diablo. Corrections welcomed.

I tried to bring the faces out of the shadows but the compression artifacts make a mess out of the faces.

The guy on the left is a familiar face but I cannot (yet) attach a name to it. I think he was in some of the picnic photos. I tried to figure what division he worked in from picnics. No luck so far.

Most of the people looking at this know United had a large maintenance facility at SFO.

Keith Gentry is seated at bottom right. About this time he was ascended to Vice President of Commercial Business. Previous commands at Rohr included Vice President and General Manager of the Riverside Plant. Before that he was vice president of Rohr's Space Products Division. He started in 1980 after a 20-year stint at Bell Helicopter and General Dynamics. 👋

One newspaper article claims Mr. Kerley came to Rohr as CEO in 1993.

Mr. Madsen apparently worked in coporate legal.

Mr. Madsen apparently worked in coporate legal.

In 1986, Ms. Coartney was Manager of Military Contract Administration. Her career with Rohr began in 1967, according to one news source.

www.encyclopedia.com/women/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcr...
"American philanthropist and organization executive. Name variations: Mrs. Simon Guggenheim. Born Olga H. Hirsh on September 23, 1877; died in 1970; daughter of Barbara (Steiner) Hirsh and Henry Hirsh (a New York realtor and diamond merchant); educated at private schools in America and Europe; married Simon Guggenheim (1867–1941, U.S. senator and philanthropist), on November 24, 1898;"

See

Swordscookie I'm sorry I didn't see your reply until now, but am so glad I saw it. I'd love to hear the Gaelic version, and luckily, this is what the internet is for (and dogs in old photos).

Thanks for the suggestion Paul Jackson. That photo seems to come from the Woodrow Wilson Presidential Library and Museum, www.presidentwilson.org/items/show/17597. They have a few other photos also. The table and people standing in front of the building appear to match. I was also able to match at least one person in the crowd, the lady with the white hat and pennant sitting on the side of the steps toward the bottom right. I am going to go ahead and ask that we add a note saying this shows Woodrow Wilson speaking at Mary Baldwin College on December 28, 1912.

Jon (LOC P&P) Thank you..you are doing great work preserving these valuable images

Tag added for Seagrave, the ladder truck's manufacturer. Somebody has a lot of hose to wash in their future.

Looks like PSP.

The Coast Guard had an 'open door' policy?

This could be flipped horizontally.

This could be rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise.

Measuring deflection under load? This test must've cost a fortune and must've involved some great mechnaical engineering people.

This could be rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise.

The door says, "8035," and "DINER." It appears this would be interior photos of a former Santa Fe dining car. This may have been part of a Rail Systems Inc. (Rohr) bid to upgrade dining cars.

Other Flickr users' photos of former Santa Fe dining car 8035 follow. Images below are not Museum photos:[https://www.flickr.com/photos/mbernero/23662577450/][https://www.flickr.com/photos/120320833@N02/46354853975/]

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